From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: jemarch@gnu.org (Jose E. Marchesi) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Apologia for bzr Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 11:30:51 +0100 Message-ID: <877gact76s.fsf@gnu.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1389090519 21241 80.91.229.3 (7 Jan 2014 10:28:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 10:28:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Richard Stallman , Lennart Borgman , toby-dated-1389972095.0848dd@dr-qubit.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, esr@thyrsus.com, Stefan Monnier To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 07 11:28:45 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W0Ttr-00033z-W4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 11:28:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39698 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0Ttr-0003pi-IR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 05:28:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58901) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0Ttg-0003og-Ls for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 05:28:41 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0TtY-0007Fy-9R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 05:28:32 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:55612) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0TtY-0007Fu-5y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 05:28:24 -0500 Original-Received: from inet-emmc06-o.oracle.co.uk ([193.9.13.138]:46758 helo=termi.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0TtQ-0008UT-HE; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 05:28:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 07 Jan 2014 07:21:44 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167585 Archived-At: > This said, the "what you call a window is called a frame" is not nearly > as problematic as "what we call window is not what you think", so maybe > renaming "window" to "pane" would get us most of the benefit. I think you're right there. If we just get rid of the word "window", I think that'll fix most confusions. "Pane" and "frame" are more "technical" terms, and people aren't as apt to make assumptions about what they mean. Aren't we underestimating users's natural ability to abstract terms and concepts? For the average person the "confusion" regarding windows will least for no more than two minutes, if ever, given that both the tutorial and the manual explain what a window is...