Re: Physically Rotate Text

Re: Physically Rotate Text

[Tory S. Anderson]

> "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>> torys.anderson@gmail.com (Tory S. Anderson) writes:
>>> Here's what I'm looking for: the ability to change a block from a
>>> horizontal to a vertical layout of text. This would be part of emacs
>>> super ASCII non-graphical powers, so that if I'm modelling a bar
>>> chart, I can convert it to a column chart:
>> M-x rotate-ccw-region RET
> 
> Google says this is one of your own function, which means one should
> first load e.g.
> http://www.informatimago.com/develop/emacs/emacs/pjb-transpose.el

Ah, knew I could count on you guys!

>> And - why do you want this, Mr. Anderson? :)
Maybe I'm just a lowly designer who wants to be able to convert ASCII bar graphs to column graphs. Yeah, that's it. Certainly nothing to do with my requiring this function to unravel the Matrix. Nope. 

Gnus Subscribing to Newsgroup

[Tory S. Anderson]

Say, I use Gnus and get my list emails as a digest, which is great for reading but tricky for replying. Is there an easier way here? Just get individual emails and sort them into folders, or something related to those cryptic "news group" things? 

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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2014 21:21:50 -0400
From: Ken <kensubuntu@gmail.com>
To: Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Basic emacs lisp question
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Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:

> PS. Note how you reply to my posts - reply to the
>     list/newsgroup, not to my e-mail. DS.

Sorry about that. I use gnus and I haven't trained my fingers to use F
rather than R yet.

Ken

--
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between a mermaid and a seal.
		-- Mark Twain

Re: Physically Rotate Text

[Emanuel Berg]

torys.anderson@gmail.com (Tory S. Anderson) writes:

> Certainly nothing to do with my requiring this
> function to unravel the Matrix.

Next time, ask for that instead!

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Re: Gnus Subscribing to Newsgroup

[Emanuel Berg]

torys.anderson@gmail.com (Tory S. Anderson) writes:

> Say, I use Gnus and get my list emails as a digest,
> which is great for reading but tricky for replying. Is
> there an easier way here? Just get individual emails
> and sort them into folders, or something related to
> those cryptic "news group" things?

I don't understand, what problem are you experiencing?

Newsgroups are in my experience the best if you use
Gnus. For example gnu.emacs.help - this list/group.

For lists that aren't groups as well, as you already
seem to know (?) you can use mail splitting to make
those mails appear to be newsgroups - not just appear,
in all essence, it is the same (they respond the same
way to commands in the Group buffer, for example).

Splitting may look like this:

(setq nnmail-split-methods
 '(("zsh"          "^\\(Cc\\|\\(Resent-\\)?To\\):.*zsh-\\(announce\\|workers\\|users\\)@zsh\.org.*")
   ("debian.user"  "^\\(Cc\\|\\(Resent-\\)?To\\):.*debian-user@lists\.debian\.org.*")
   ("l4"           "^\\(Cc\\|\\(Resent-\\)?To\\):.*l4-hackers@os\.inf\.tu-dresden\.de.*")
   ("emacs-w3m"    "^Subject: \\[emacs-w3m.*")
   ; ...
   ("mail.misc"    "") ))

How to reply? Use
`gnus-article-followup-with-original'. It is bound to F
but you can rebind it to r (or whatever) if you are not
happy with having to use a two-key stroke for something
that frequent.

Check the headers in the message-mode buffer if you are
in doubt.

The only practical difference I have experienced
between mailgroups and newsgroups (except the small
overhead of setting up split-methods) is faces (fonts).
Those are named differently: instead of
`gnus-group-news-1' (etc.), `gnus-group-mail-1'.
   
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Re: Physically Rotate Text

[Pascal J. Bourguignon]

torys.anderson@gmail.com (Tory S. Anderson) writes:

> If this weren't emacs, I wouldn't be surprised not to have a physical rotate function. 
>
> Here's what I'm looking for: the ability to change a block from a horizontal to a vertical layout of text. This would be part of emacs super ASCII non-graphical powers, so that if I'm modelling a bar chart, I can convert it to a column chart:
>
> XXX
> XXXXXXX
> XXXXX
> XXXXXXXXX
>
> becomes:
>
>    X
>    X
>  X X
>  X X
>  XXX
>  XXX
> XXXX
> XXXX
> XXXX
>
> Any ideas? 

M-x rotate-ccw-region RET

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__Pascal Bourguignon__                 http://www.informatimago.com/
“The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a
dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to
keep the man from touching the equipment.” -- Carl Bass CEO Autodesk

Re: Physically Rotate Text

[Nicolas Richard]

"Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
> torys.anderson@gmail.com (Tory S. Anderson) writes:
>> Here's what I'm looking for: the ability to change a block from a
>> horizontal to a vertical layout of text. This would be part of emacs
>> super ASCII non-graphical powers, so that if I'm modelling a bar
>> chart, I can convert it to a column chart:
> M-x rotate-ccw-region RET

Google says this is one of your own function, which means one should
first load e.g.
http://www.informatimago.com/develop/emacs/emacs/pjb-transpose.el

-- 
Nico.

Re: Physically Rotate Text

[Pascal J. Bourguignon]

On 10 Sep 2014, at 08:25, Nicolas Richard <theonewiththeevillook@yahoo.fr> wrote:

> "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:
>> torys.anderson@gmail.com (Tory S. Anderson) writes:
>>> Here's what I'm looking for: the ability to change a block from a
>>> horizontal to a vertical layout of text. This would be part of emacs
>>> super ASCII non-graphical powers, so that if I'm modelling a bar
>>> chart, I can convert it to a column chart:
>> M-x rotate-ccw-region RET
> 
> Google says this is one of your own function, which means one should
> first load e.g.
> http://www.informatimago.com/develop/emacs/emacs/pjb-transpose.el


Oops, sorry, I made a mistake while checking, I thought it was a predefined one.
— 
__Pascal Bourguignon__

Re: Physically Rotate Text

[Stefan Monnier]

> Oops, sorry, I made a mistake while checking, I thought it was a predefined one.

Following the Elisp coding convention of adding a "package prefix" is
helpful to try and avoid such surprises.


        Stefan

Re: Physically Rotate Text

[Emanuel Berg]

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> Following the Elisp coding convention of adding a
> "package prefix" is helpful to try and avoid such
> surprises.

Also, you can use `C-h f' - often you will be able to
tell from where it is defined if you did it or someone
else.

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Physically Rotate Text

[Tory S. Anderson]

If this weren't emacs, I wouldn't be surprised not to have a physical rotate function. 

Here's what I'm looking for: the ability to change a block from a horizontal to a vertical layout of text. This would be part of emacs super ASCII non-graphical powers, so that if I'm modelling a bar chart, I can convert it to a column chart:

XXX
XXXXXXX
XXXXX
XXXXXXXXX

becomes:

   X
   X
 X X
 X X
 XXX
 XXX
XXXX
XXXX
XXXX

Any ideas? 

Re: Physically Rotate Text

[Stefan Monnier]

> If this weren't Emacs, I wouldn't be surprised not to have a physical
> rotate function.  Here's what I'm looking for: the ability to change
> a block from a horizontal to a vertical layout of text.  This would be
> part of emacs super ASCII non-graphical powers, so that if I'm
> modelling a bar chart, I can convert it to a column chart:

Indeed, picture-mode is lacking this functionality.
And so is artist-mode.

I have an excuse: I'm a types guy.

But about all you users?  What's your excuse?  What have you been doing
all these years instead of writing a rectangle-rotate function?


        Stefan

Re: Physically Rotate Text

[Emanuel Berg]

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> But about all you users? What's your excuse? What
> have you been doing all these years instead of
> writing a rectangle-rotate function?

If there isn't a piece of code that does this somewhere
on the web or in an MELPA package first thing would be
to examine if some other Lisper (not Elisper) did it,
second thing would be to check for a shell tool that
could be incorporated.

And - why do you want this, Mr. Anderson? :)

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Re: Physically Rotate Text

[Pascal J. Bourguignon]

Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:

> Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>
>> But about all you users? What's your excuse? What
>> have you been doing all these years instead of
>> writing a rectangle-rotate function?
>
> If there isn't a piece of code that does this somewhere
> on the web or in an MELPA package first thing would be
> to examine if some other Lisper (not Elisper) did it,
> second thing would be to check for a shell tool that
> could be incorporated.

Of course there is: rotate-ccw-region is in:

http://www.informatimago.com/develop/emacs/emacs/pjb-transpose.el


> And - why do you want this, Mr. Anderson? :)

-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__                 http://www.informatimago.com/
“The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a
dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to
keep the man from touching the equipment.” -- Carl Bass CEO Autodesk