From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is it possible to scroll smoothly in Emacs? Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 22:04:43 +0100 Message-ID: <877fy7azys.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> References: <86tx1codxj.fsf@mailinator.com> <87vblrpm57.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417727127 20208 80.91.229.3 (4 Dec 2014 21:05:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 21:05:27 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 04 22:05:21 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XwdaT-0004Fb-2E for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 22:05:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47707 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwdaS-0006kP-Dp for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 16:05:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59811) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwdaA-0006fP-R8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 16:05:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwda6-00024z-8d for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 16:05:02 -0500 Original-Received: from msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl ([2001:808:114:2::50]:45773) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwda6-00024M-1T for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 16:04:58 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39C952D93 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:04:54 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rUCyoS0yHan5 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:04:54 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (117-116.echostar.pl [213.156.117.116]) by msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5E40E4AC6D for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:04:54 +0100 (CET) In-reply-to: <87vblrpm57.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:808:114:2::50 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101403 Archived-At: On 2014-12-04, at 14:41, Phillip Lord wrote: > Bug Dout writes: > >> Marcin Borkowski writes: >> >>> (Not that I really need it - I recommended Emacs to one student, and >>> lack of smooth scrolling was one of his main gripes.) >> >> Spoiled young whipper-snappers, in my day I carried punch cards to the >> computer center, in the snow, and uphill both ways. And damn grateful >> for the opportunity. > > > Without wishing to be negative about the humour, the original question > was a good one. Well, the jokes were good (I especially liked the "uphill both ways" part). Especially that I also remember some good ol' times (not punch cards, but a Commodore 64, and later a 386 PC with 4 megz of RAM; I did *lots* of TeX stuff in the `F4' editor of a clone of Norton Commander...) > Looking cool and modern is important. Personally, I dislike smooth > scrolling but it is often what people expect. Actually, even though I personally don't miss smooth scrolling, that student did convince me that it's a good idea: it is quite easy to press C-v/M-v accidentally and get lost. Smooth scrolling gives a visual clue of the direction we went in the file. It's not really a question of aesthetics, it is a question of usability/UX. Also, *if* we want to draw young people to Emacs, we should be competitive. If this is what people expect (and it is, at least sometimes), and it does not contradict the `Emacs workflow' (whatever that is, you know - I'm definitely too young to know that;-)), then why not? If even RMS suggested implementing word-processing features in Emacs, why not smooth scrolling? > Phil Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University