From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: if vs. when vs. and: style question Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2015 03:17:48 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <877fu04n5v.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <87sicvwckx.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> <87wq27yvqg.fsf@debian.uxu> <8d531e99-7260-4263-ac99-09c6871e2708@googlegroups.com> <87vbhq53lf.fsf@debian.uxu> <87a8z23p23.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87lhilx0cf.fsf@debian.uxu> <87twx9360u.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <0d1d19ab-06e9-462d-8867-9a49b1e232d3@googlegroups.com> <87pp7x2jav.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <3d000753-94d8-4858-9e82-424ba531128e@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1427591727 10096 80.91.229.3 (29 Mar 2015 01:15:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2015 01:15:27 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 29 03:15:22 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yc1ot-0004u9-3q for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 29 Mar 2015 03:15:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55642 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yc1or-00012y-Sh for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 21:15:17 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 48 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: feB02bRejf23rfBm51Mt7Q.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:8Qa7dTlwnqn6fAnXcj/wNuyjMyY= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:211137 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:103419 Archived-At: Rusi writes: > Take a random computer. Start notepad Take a random > computer. Start emacs Work out the relative > probabilities of failure > > Sorry... "Random computer" arguments dont work (or > can be made to work any way you choose) It does work and that is the reason to have a small common ground and then put complexity like LaTeX or whatever at the endpoints so that techno-techno-neurotics can have their way with it while actual work is carried out elsewhere with the tools that are suitable for that purpose. Think for example of fire fighters. They have a lot of equipment and protection in their trucks, and some attached to their bodies. But as there are so many unique situations and combinations thereof that can produce a plethora of immediate problems they must nonetheless tackle in a short time frame, why don't they have ten times the amount of equipment? Or one hundred times as much? The exact right thing for any situation? And not just things - human resources, as well? Why not? 1) It is *impractical* to the point of being totally unrealistic. 2) With training with the basic tools and methods, even though the specialized one objectively are "better", in reality, the outcome (effect) is still much better with the basic toolset. If the average life of a man was 1500 years and with mental capabilities to match it perhaps we could achieve the super-specialization and scientificness you dream of. Instead, it is about mastering a craft including the good habits and all conventional wisdom to it - and there is never enough time, either. It is the domain which I call: reality. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573