From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Contributors and maintainers Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:44:54 +0200 Message-ID: <877fmgcjk9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87si59wj42.fsf@T420.taylan> <87zizfm2dq.fsf@T420.taylan> <871tcr7yvq.fsf@fastmail.com> <87mvvfm0bd.fsf@T420.taylan> <56250803.5080601@cs.ucla.edu> <87a8ren5ys.fsf@T420.taylan> <56259BB1.3070908@cs.ucla.edu> <878u6ykmvt.fsf@T420.taylan> <87h9llvo98.fsf@members.fsf.org> <5626622A.3090707@yandex.ru> <87zizdijbp.fsf@T420.taylan> <56267302.7050606@yandex.ru> <87io61igyu.fsf@T420.taylan> <56267CDF.6010201@yandex.ru> <87wpuhh15s.fsf@T420.taylan> <562683B9.1060305@yandex.ru> <83y4exe71v.fsf@gnu.org> <87zizcfzna.fsf@T420.taylan> <83r3koe2nj.fsf@gnu.org> <874mhkffvr.fsf@T420.taylan> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445442491 16400 80.91.229.3 (21 Oct 2015 15:48:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:48:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?=22Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1?= =?utf-8?Q?=2FKammer=22?=) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 21 17:48:07 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZovcN-0003Tz-HM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:47:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52261 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZovcM-0003PQ-Fg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:47:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55231) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZovZr-0000Sc-Tk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:45:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZovZq-0006X2-SM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:45:23 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:40518) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZovZn-0006WD-S5; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:45:19 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54336 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZovZk-0005VG-Oc; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:45:19 -0400 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 356DDF2D02; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:44:54 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <874mhkffvr.fsf@T420.taylan> ("Taylan Ulrich =?utf-8?Q?=5C=22Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1=2FKammer=5C=22=22's?= message of "Wed, 21 Oct 2015 16:36:08 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:192291 Archived-At: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich "Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1/Kammer") writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> From: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1/Kammer) > >>> Most others will just leave the place immediately, or not even try >>> because they already saw in the archive or heard from others enough >>> horrible things about emacs-devel. >> >> From whom did you hear horrible things about emacs-devel? What >> horrible things? > > It would be bad to name them, Obviously. > but emacs-devel has become a running joke among some groups which > contain experienced programmers and long-timers of GNU and Emacs, as > well as young folks who could be future Emacs developers. > > I would love it if this could change, and if both those experienced > people and potential future developers could partake in emacs-devel. I think you are setting your aspirations too high about reforming coding standards as well as social interactions in Emacs development from the ground up. Even the acting Emacs maintainer tends not throw his weight around in the manner you do, particularly not with matters of marginal importance. When working on a common project, one needs to pick one's fights. Instead of ELPA where packages are reviewed by Emacs developers, their copyright assigned to the FSF and the Emacs developers are the fallback for any maintenance issues, there is also the package archive MELPA with a more customary submission procedure where the author retains copyright and responsibility for packages of his. It would seem that placing your packages there might better correspond to the strong feelings you have about keeping your code in exactly the style and state you desire it to be without interference. --=20 David Kastrup