From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Thorpe Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Replacing huge hidden selection when pasting text Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2016 02:10:26 +0000 Message-ID: <877fjr2z1p.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> References: <4d710cd0-3f06-40d7-a3e5-3b3cae485728@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451787061 12886 80.91.229.3 (3 Jan 2016 02:11:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 02:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Alexandre Oberlin Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 03 03:10:49 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aFY84-0007zN-GW for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 03:10:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40283 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFY83-0002qX-EF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 21:10:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53747) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFY7u-0002pX-1V for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 21:10:34 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFY7q-0007eC-1U for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 21:10:33 -0500 Original-Received: from outbound-smtp01.blacknight.com ([81.17.249.7]:36181) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFY7p-0007dx-RS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jan 2016 21:10:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.blacknight.com (pemlinmail05.blacknight.ie [81.17.254.26]) by outbound-smtp01.blacknight.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD11698D60 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2016 02:10:27 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: (qmail 31089 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2016 02:10:27 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO RTLaptop) (rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com@[86.163.22.27]) by 81.17.254.9 with ESMTPSA (DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 3 Jan 2016 02:10:27 -0000 In-Reply-To: <4d710cd0-3f06-40d7-a3e5-3b3cae485728@googlegroups.com> (message from Alexandre Oberlin on Sat, 2 Jan 2016 16:41:25 -0800 (PST)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 81.17.249.7 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:108588 Archived-At: Alexandre Oberlin writes: > On Sunday, January 3, 2016 at 1:29:04 AM UTC+1, Michael Heerdegen wrote: >> Nobody is forced to use Emacs. If you dislike it's philosophy, use >> something different you like more. Many people like Emacs because of >> its philosophy. > I like emacs philosophy and have used it for ages. What I am far from > liking as much is the philosophy of its current maintainers. How about > starting up their own editor and leave emacs alone? I suggested that delete-selection-mode could be the problem when you first posted your question. For minor-modes Emacs has behaved like this for a long time. You have to read the documention. For example, global-font-lock mode is not obeyed by Info buffers. That's not immediately obvious, but it's been like that for as long as I've used Emacs (since 20.3 in ~2000). Emacs allows you to activate minor-modes that may not make sense with the current major-mode or other minor-modes. I think others haven't had your problem because your setup is uncommon. You want the region to work in the classic Emacs manner where it's not visibly shown on-screen and it always exists. But, you want delete to work as it does in today's MS Windows programs where it deletes the selection. Most people want either old-Emacs behaviour or Windows behaviour. Myself, I use transient-mark-mode but not delete-selection-mode. The documentation could be clearer though and a warning could be issued. Perhaps send a bug report asking for a warning. BR, Robert Thorpe