From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:44:26 +1100 Message-ID: <877fi05nhx.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87vb5wvzfz.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87io1wt4cc.fsf@wanadoo.es> <8737syoima.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <871t8iu277.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83d1s28kvh.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3gis7sm.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83twle71xy.fsf@gnu.org> <87io1us0te.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83pow26svf.fsf@gnu.org> <87a8n5srbp.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83d1s17npz.fsf@gnu.org> <87oablfpn3.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <834mdd6llx.fsf@gnu.org> <7fbb8bc7-9a97-4bad-a103-a6690a35241d@default> <834mdc5w6o.fsf@gnu.org> <838u2hu6aq.fsf@gnu.org> <871t899tde.fsf@gnus.org> <83y4ahru04.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1455921912 31677 80.91.229.3 (19 Feb 2016 22:45:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 22:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 19 23:45:02 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aWtnK-0002vW-41 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 23:45:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55887 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aWtnJ-0003kC-DO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 17:45:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54812) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aWtnF-0003k7-Nj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 17:44:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aWtnC-0001Gk-Cd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 17:44:57 -0500 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:35831) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aWtnC-0001Gb-67; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 17:44:54 -0500 Original-Received: from 203-174-152-162.cust.static-ipl.aapt.com.au ([203.174.152.162] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1aWtmo-0002Xw-Gw; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 23:44:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83y4ahru04.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 19 Feb 2016 10:20:43 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-MailScanner-ID: 1aWtmo-0002Xw-Gw MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1456526671.47327@ivj7IzbP+5EdYhuJCR5qbA X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:200248 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Thanks. But what does "respect the locale" mean, in practical terms? > A large portion of the characters that have some decomposition, and > thus will be folded when searching, belong to scripts that are not > related to any language or other locale-specific attribute. What do > you think should be done with them in the context of this feature? The locale says what language culture the user is from, and that's the important thing for most users. Not the language of the document or anything like that. Norwegian (like Danish and Swedish) has a 29 character alphabet, and there are keys on our keyboards for all those letters. Having any of those characters show up when searching for other characters is as weird for a Norwegian as it would be for an American to have any of their 26 characters in their alphabet substitute for another. The Norwegian "extra" characters are =E6=F8=E5, of which only the latter is confused in Emacs by any other character by isearch today. I would imagine that an American would like =F8 to be folded with o, for instance, which it doesn't do. So as currently implemented, the feature is kinda both incomplete and too intrusive at the same time. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no