From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 21:23:28 +0100 Message-ID: <877fce3flr.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <87wpke3kdj.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83h9biyek4.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1469132667 7503 80.91.229.3 (21 Jul 2016 20:24:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 20:24:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 21 22:24:17 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bQKW0-0000Vh-Vd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:24:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43568 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQKW0-0000WW-6i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 16:24:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45887) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQKVO-0000W6-S1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 16:23:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQKVN-0002Ja-2B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 16:23:37 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([31.216.48.48]:38384) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQKVG-0002Ih-9A; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 16:23:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=3GhLTs7/1jBWRIfx5NmfT+2NFw1D6p14gkjnPWuWJCE=; b=xNSa5HYdUcjODpandK0LILbp1A BO+Mxk4o+pTOmc+3Ma5y23xh1wGjcDemoYTU507X6QWip30UR4AIqA70paeNLwy9E1he7/F3zVoxA GGVIe6SQgbhb+OaK4l/lu+dHM1UVWV/EqKjceAfeETWtaP7QInMLGsBd239u3gLdd8P+gASA3WbJa 8FFTdJkrXDdx3m/UsKO14tA+8W9DdD7M7i6Y83JLj+Znu+BKMtiX6qsF688l/nE1zHjtD/h4adJ12 ZhusJs3wmFXoBYhv9T1ggoBoO2YTj8mcbvYPiwa7/9Gz38K6FBTnSShCPF0RXkhUy6peAwYFssyPD ri7L94Ng==; Original-Received: from cpc1-benw10-2-0-cust373.gate.cable.virginm.net ([77.98.219.118]:53184 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1bQKVF-001DfM-4v; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 21:23:29 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83h9biyek4.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:30:19 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.95 (gnu/linux) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 31.216.48.48 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205992 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) >> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 19:40:24 +0100 >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> There needs to be the willingness to adopt it, if we choose something, >> though. > > Expect it to be adopted if it makes our jobs simpler, like faster, or > saves us from doing some of the stuff at all. Otherwise, you will > have difficulty convincing at least me to move. *shrugs* As with everything, it will makes things somewhat slower during adoption. And I can only give you anecdotal evidence that it will make things better after adoption. > Also, I think the solution should support text-mode browsers, such as > Lynx or Emacs's eww on TTY frames. IOW, anything that requires GUI > and won't work otherwise is probably out of question to begin with. > (This requirement is not for me personally.) If that is a hard requirement, then I think we are not going to get much further with a web 2.0 program. The best option is going to be somewhere to host clones for developers, and then use debbugs. But, it really is a hard requirement. Phil