From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Nikolaus Rath Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding advisory notification for non-ELPA package.el downloads Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:21:42 +0200 Message-ID: <877ez22fy1.fsf@vostro.rath.org> References: <1500553768.497130.1046984072.1622AF4D@webmail.messagingengine.com> <837ez3b4yd.fsf@gnu.org> <1500559308.516260.1047108888.2750C01A@webmail.messagingengine.com> <834lu7b35o.fsf@gnu.org> <1500561400.523072.1047139192.217F8F40@webmail.messagingengine.com> <831spbb0y1.fsf@gnu.org> <1500566309.1458705.1047217192.76275BAD@webmail.messagingengine.com> <83zibz9ell.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1500636133 31702 195.159.176.226 (21 Jul 2017 11:22:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 11:22:13 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 21 13:22:03 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dYW0I-0007IN-Sf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:21:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42353 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dYW0L-0007CW-Do for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 07:21:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42032) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dYW0F-0007CQ-9F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 07:21:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dYW0C-00019t-4H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 07:21:51 -0400 Original-Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]:56219) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dYW0B-00019D-SW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 07:21:48 -0400 Original-Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B7120954 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 07:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 21 Jul 2017 07:21:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s= fm1; bh=kfB9/qj3Dmxg3qcR8u7WU/EKXeiO12n/qi1GK0SYATs=; b=YfFVnS9+ EB+YO59SkWsDOZ1TgYtUeAb8S77+Tpv1nyKZmYoIuYJBzAPS6HzEVl79eaUjE5+E irNhAQi6H4Pmm3We0MpYJz5DlsO7l1eMesburCbS5tv9JrVWJXvNRcxSPseZ9Pjv MugMcKYDW3jjPYZqpBYAA+hmRGy+LYKroFsczUJ+ohbfvQkOhsFeKx/XRc8mwueZ X4b/CKVn6GeGjI+UQeZXnktVH3s5v0hKFGS8cLZpK2rxkmvaW0KlBY45Ej3cweED ll+huA6CFI06qJoQl1rdbrbwXsaL3VS07xZXlRdmRRKG5SpXNhsE5LeGUjRonPp9 TN2ZZyT83cS4Sw== X-ME-Sender: X-Sasl-enc: q0Tj+EjEMty5Sh/l3SNPxR9UtePVBY5vJw06PYBR7bS1 1500636105 Original-Received: from ebox.rath.org (ebox.rath.org [45.79.69.51]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 51C147E1FC for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 07:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from vostro.rath.org (vostro [192.168.12.4]) by ebox.rath.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 495C9155 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 11:21:44 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: by vostro.rath.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EBA74102E7E; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:21:42 +0200 (CEST) Mail-Copies-To: never Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <83zibz9ell.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 20 Jul 2017 20:56:38 +0300") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 66.111.4.25 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216915 Archived-At: On Jul 20 2017, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Paul Rankin >> Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 01:58:29 +1000 >>=20 >> > AFAIK, the original author still owns the code he/she wrote, even >> > after the assignment, and the authorship information is not lost by >> > assigning the copyright. If that is true, then your concerns are >> > based on misunderstandings. >>=20 >> I'm sorry to disagree with you, but no, if you assign copyright to >> someone else, you no longer own the work. Hence why FSF licences the >> work back to you. > > Yes, and after that, I still have my rights. But not ownership. Owership entails you to certain rights, but having these rights doesn't give you ownership.=20 > If you can still work on your code after the assignment, and can > redistribute it at will under any conditions you like, then how is > that different from ownership? There's more to ownership that that. Incidentally, this is the reason why the FSF would like to have it. > If it looks like duck, walks like duck, and quacks like duck, then how > can it be anything other than a duck? By that argument, the FSF should have no need for copyright assignments in the first place. The license should be enough. Best, -Nikolaus --=20 GPG Fingerprint: ED31 791B 2C5C 1613 AF38 8B8A D113 FCAC 3C4E 599F =C2=BBTime flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana.=C2= =AB