From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A target that's even more bootstrap? Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:53:02 +0100 Message-ID: <877e9jf429.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="187587"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2.90 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 18 14:54:03 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hdDcc-000mYs-Nc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 14:53:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57242 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hdDcb-0007tY-O2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:53:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38675) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hdDbs-0007Dd-9Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:53:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hdDbp-0003Vb-Lt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:53:10 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([78.129.138.110]:50570) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hdDbo-0003KZ-Rl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:53:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=5pDwkPp5a6nPxuH0WyBVn8VWpKfUDIROCN5BoodsDOw=; b=O3S8a64kUD6nU15IsVRvnF2J/ dUW1GhS0tg63TXQ5EF65axvr0a764gug1r1a2pp5D6+AuhjGvlNL1tAJnpKIrED32AyNlCfaxQoEe DuwVcR9S5J+EiU6JNP5vmvovuLFCDqKuoc4FhCKc53PDh+ESSxa/vCcsCL+THjf32NeiPDzOHWd9L 3AKxT7UAeFWS5i/Yv/e6x8jA0DY0HTCyPmggnruhtw8cllPeNj1qtMY3q07UzLJwIimI+AHYZDacv G/myxHsxppz5jkV4POLa3udQlB07JPo6xdyOOJcpVOm6RsyETXvLho6RsbvZb66k3QbpUe0MDQFGW QPy6yGGLA==; Original-Received: from janus-nat-128-240-225-62.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.225.62]:7941 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hdDbi-00086k-Ub; Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:53:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:22:02 +0200") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 78.129.138.110 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:237836 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Unless I'm reading the makefile wrong, there's no target there to say > "remove all compiler artefacts and then recompile"? > > There's bootstrap-clean and extraclean, but if you run those, "make" no > longer works and you have to use "sh autogen.sh; ./configure" > manually... (And if you run bootstrap-clean/extraclean in the wrong > order, you're left with a lot of non-cleaned-up files, so it's rather > confusing.) > > Would it be an idea to have a target like "full-bootstrap" that does > these things for you in the correct order? Perhaps it is worth considering the opposite approach. Currently, we have mostlyclean clean distclean maintainer-clean extraclean bootstrap-clean The the irregular hyphenation is a bit odd. But, in addition, I would guess that many of these levels (maintainer-clean, extraclean and bootstrap-clean) are really only there to save time; with parallel builds and faster machines I wonder how many of these are actually needed. If I understand it, distclean is most severe. So, why not ditch everything other than distclean and clean? Phil