From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Phillip Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why are so many great packages not trying to get included in GNU Emacs? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249307 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > The difficulty about taking precautions, > is that people see the inconvenience of taking them > and may not weigh that against the harm the precautions prevent. Perhaps, but at least be aware of the inconvenience and do all that you can to lessen the inconvenience. Provide a way that maintainers can see who has papers, provide a list of the different emails people use, provide an API so that people can test for it in their continuous integration, provide a way to track the progress of the process. Phil