From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Vladimir Sedach Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Modifier Keys and the Archaic Meta Key Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 13:40:16 -0700 Message-ID: <877dre3uq7.fsf@t510.orion.oneofus.la> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7040"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.3.10; emacs 26.2 Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Christopher Dimech Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 25 21:44:14 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kWms9-0001jz-Gp for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 21:44:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39168 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kWms8-0004oA-IW for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 16:44:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47670) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kWmrn-0004ne-7f for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 16:43:51 -0400 Original-Received: from forward103p.mail.yandex.net ([77.88.28.106]:44693) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kWmrk-0005x9-Gp for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 16:43:50 -0400 Original-Received: from forward101q.mail.yandex.net (forward101q.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c0e:4b:0:640:4012:bb98]) by forward103p.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 2129518C0366; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 23:43:27 +0300 (MSK) Original-Received: from mxback2q.mail.yandex.net (mxback2q.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c0e:40:0:640:9c8c:4946]) by forward101q.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 1CD58CF40004; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 23:43:27 +0300 (MSK) Original-Received: from vla4-a16f3368381d.qloud-c.yandex.net (vla4-a16f3368381d.qloud-c.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:c17:d85:0:640:a16f:3368]) by mxback2q.mail.yandex.net (mxback/Yandex) with ESMTP id EYyjAVUZdc-hQU4vfx4; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 23:43:27 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oneofus.la; s=mail; t=1603658607; bh=8rwOPbRF3OQlTQIF9Btc16D4Ekh+hmFOeRMZwIVeYxA=; h=In-reply-to:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:References:Message-ID; b=tv3MELnF8EkkAAXNNE0r9SJoCthL/xTFHkdZsSrUq2CKG+vM+hk54M14I8pWkpraX 9TjJ8e8RZcVNfGDWTU89p1lM7JWDm8siRsvnGkSyjB+bvX2ig1Li1HeTIFSNSPmA7N Tax0FCoMI8ZqV8Hgv1JbOvsqUKPt0yUY0uNrNydM= Authentication-Results: mxback2q.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@oneofus.la Original-Received: by vla4-a16f3368381d.qloud-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id Z8Zd5shCq2-hPmmO85s; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 23:43:26 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) In-reply-to: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=77.88.28.106; envelope-from=vas@oneofus.la; helo=forward103p.mail.yandex.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/25 16:43:27 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:124714 Archived-At: Christopher Dimech writes: > Today, Lisp Machines and their keyboards are only historical > keyboards whose use has become academic. On the contrary - ever since Microsoft introduced extra modifier keys with the Microsoft Natural Keyboard 104 key layout in 1994 (the only decent thing I can think to have come from Microsoft), the Lisp Machine style key bindings and mnemonics became relevant for PCs. The Lisp Machine style keyboard layout simply provides a better ergonomic experience, not just for Emacs, but for all programs that make use of the Control key. It is straightforward to configure the layout for any PC keyboard. Give it a try: https://oneofus.la/have-emacs-will-hack/2018-04-08-lisp-machine-keyboard-layout-in-x11.html -- Vladimir Sedach Software engineering services in Los Angeles https://oneofus.la