From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs i18n Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 15:20:47 +0200 Message-ID: <877dhjpzv4.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <21691570.QVqMGgByyo@galex-713.eu> <878s20dwmf.fsf@zoho.eu> <3329188.T0m1InA4o2@galex-713.eu> <8735s8c7iq.fsf@zoho.eu> <87mtqfc2fk.fsf@zoho.eu> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11413"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:Hv8T13a5aoVfkKIKZepiFzw2wMY= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 21 15:24:04 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m6CCi-0002io-6E for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 15:24:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55388 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m6CCg-0001aO-9B for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 09:24:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59942) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m6C9o-0005HY-EL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 09:21:06 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:57922) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m6C9m-00027e-CC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 09:21:03 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m6C9j-0008rK-GD for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 15:20:59 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:131953 Archived-At: Christopher Dimech wrote: > Tho russian realised that long ago after they began > publishing their books about their tortured tales of human > suffering in tho western world. It made many people warm > their heart and fall in love with Russian literature. But that's in the past, I don't think Russia is a superpower in terms of literature and international publishing *today*. With their very educated population there should be a big _internal_ market that to some extent is near-international (their diaspora or otherwise Russian readers in Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Kazakhstan etc). But I think it is nothing, virtually, compared to NYC where all the European publishing powerhouses reside (and the US market for that matter), these guys probably think they are kings or something ... well, some of the books they publish are awesome, no doubt, so maybe they earned it? *hesitant* I've said like one decade now we should have an essay or coffee table book on Emacs, called the "Emacs World", a super polished product with screenshot and tables of all thinkable data, that would be one way to get back at them, for sure! But it could also be a unique, cool product. There are TONS of money in the book business and that is reachable without a huge effort (write one book page a day, you have a heft book in one year). I happen to know from my biblio-intelligence software biblio-int.el that there are public libraries all over the world that have bookshelf after bookshelf with computer books in English, most often without a single book on Emacs. The last time I brought up the idea I got the response they should get the Emacs manual! Ha :) Well, I agree, they should, however clearly it doesn't work like this. Here are a bunch of books that are good, except for one, which is horrible, yeah, you guessed it, RMS's "semi-biography" written by a "non-programmer" :D Well, I laugh because it is sad. Assange's book is also poor, but not as bad. The rest are OK or good, and in particular 'Generation 500' (Amiga), 'Generation 64' (C64), and the one first mentioned, 'A Quarter Century of UNIX' could be used as templates what we could do with Emacs, easily. Here are some book-related resources that might interest someone, maybe: https://dataswamp.org/~incal/#isbn https://dataswamp.org/~incal/books/isbn.txt https://dataswamp.org/~incal/emacs-init/isbn-verify.el https://dataswamp.org/~incal/emacs-init/issn-verify.el https://dataswamp.org/~incal/emacs-init/bibtex-incal.el https://dataswamp.org/~incal/emacs-init/latex.el https://dataswamp.org/~incal/books/books.bib https://dataswamp.org/~incal/books/ https://dataswamp.org/~incal/emacs-init/ecat-incal.el %%%% computer culture @book{quarter-century-of-unix, author = {Peter Salus}, isbn = 0201547775, publisher = {Addison-Wesley}, title = {A Quarter Century of UNIX}, year = {1994} } @book{just-for-fun, author = {Linus Torvalds}, isbn = 9780066620732, publisher = {Harper}, title = {Just for Fun: The Story of an Accidental Revolutionary}, year = {2002 (2001)} } @book{generation-500, author = {Jimmy Wilhelmsson}, isbn = {978-91-76293-70-6}, publisher = {Bokfabriken}, title = {Generation 500}, year = {2017} } @book{i-allmanhetens-tjanst-permanent-record, author = {Edward Snowden}, isbn = {978-91-7343-975-6}, publisher = {Leopard}, title = {I allmänhetens tjänst (Permanent Record)}, translator = {Stefan Lindgren}, year = {2019 (2019)} } @book{free-as-in-freedom, author = {Richard Stallman and Sam Williams}, isbn = 0983159211, publisher = {FSF}, title = {Free as in Freedom 2.0}, year = {2010} } @book{svenska-hackare, author = {Daniel Goldberg och Linus Larsson}, isbn = {978-91-1-303964-0}, publisher = {Norstedts}, title = {Svenska hackare}, year = {2011} } @book{generation-64, author = {Jimmy Wilhelmsson}, isbn = {91-630-9465-7}, publisher = {Bokfabriken}, title = {Generation 64}, year = {2014} } @book{copyright-finns-inte, author = {Linus Walleij}, isbn = {91-630-9465-7}, publisher = {RootGear}, title = {Copyright finns inte}, year = {1999} } @book{memoarer-ar-prostitution, author = {Julian Assange}, isbn = {978-91-1-303764-6}, publisher = {Norstedt}, title = {"Memoarer är prostitution": en omtvistad självbiografi}, year = {2011} } @book{programmers-at-work, author = {Susan Lammers}, isbn = 1556152116, publisher = {Tempus Books}, title = {Programmers at Work}, year = {1989} } @book{quarter-century-of-unix, author = {Peter Salus}, isbn = 0201547775, publisher = {Addison-Wesley}, title = {A Quarter Century of UNIX}, year = {1994} } %%%% Apple @book{steve-jobs-en-biografi, author = {Walter Isaacson}, isbn = {978-91-7429-285-5}, publisher = {Bonnier}, title = {Steve Jobs - en biografi (Steve Jobs)}, year = {2012 (2011)} } @book{iwoz, author = {Steve Wozniak}, isbn = {0-393-06143-4}, publisher = {Norton \& Company}, title = {iWoz}, year = {2006} } Re: Russia, they are a superpower in terms of their military strength, both as employed by them and because of their defence industry, Rosoboronexport (Russian Arms Export, maybe). Another industry/area where they are absolutely top notch is space! Even the US guys were mere passengers aboard their Sojuz shuttles ever since cancelling their own space shuttle programs. But maybe the US guys are returning to the field? (or sphere I guess :)) That's it I'm afraid, weapons (both their own employment of them and exporting them) and space, or am I wrong? Natural resources are good but they don't really impress the man on the street this day and age, sorry. > Samizdat was their equivalent of the free software movement > long before its application by Stallman. I like the connection, didn't think of that, but even so the past is the past. Past merits, while no one can take them away from you, last 2 years, tops, typically... -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal