From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding major or popular language modes to Emacs distribution Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2021 15:32:06 +0000 Message-ID: <877dg5zitl.fsf@posteo.net> References: <875yvqa3qv.fsf@ypei.me> <87czpy1nyu.fsf@posteo.net> <83sfyuozmh.fsf@gnu.org> <87o89hznqy.fsf@posteo.net> <831r6doepi.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsutzlon.fsf@posteo.net> <83wno5my3p.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36241"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: hi@ypei.me, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 28 17:33:40 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mK0Kx-0009C3-Vb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 28 Aug 2021 17:33:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33920 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mK0Kw-00031W-9T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 28 Aug 2021 11:33:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39126) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mK0Ja-0001sG-PT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Aug 2021 11:32:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:33623) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mK0JY-00085R-2c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Aug 2021 11:32:14 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D337240101 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 2021 17:32:07 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1630164727; bh=1SbZRVKve7yg1/ki2wWW8E3t6rqEiz4KeqyTswRuAy8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=o6zXjfRBKbx5v4hsFTCbN2hkMSElHwnSzhxFzPe7owQjPwmX6LdfCqbFZ5MwCwWhR ++9rqBMNU3jOKqGjDA+O5og8KH7G67urlokJ2EuHeHr61Wm49u76YGfUmQAiPfS2T1 GZHud2oAtGY6peAqvBOwJld7X9HGtjGWc0BUiVg/+F6Z++/IAVmD2oNRe5gmKhzQ10 SG/yBSmC2UrXFvMEA+GuA5H45lXhfzVaDeX1d93ufaRq90wkga9llZOrppnH7Y3L7i KbxhwaC/9sII8DclwWxyzA1SbQtbVZtCRWOpDIy+ct8YKh+Dy6KXHAO96h+vE/XMaJ x3XKNoVWboJ7A== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4GxgYg0Cbxz9rxR; Sat, 28 Aug 2021 17:32:06 +0200 (CEST) Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB In-Reply-To: <83wno5my3p.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 28 Aug 2021 17:40:26 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273327 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Philip Kaludercic >> Cc: hi@ypei.me, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2021 14:30:16 +0000 >> >> > We should definitely make the PL modes more consistent wrt the basic >> > key bindings. But having sch packages in ELPA doesn't help solving >> > this problem, because it's an orthogonal issue, right? >> >> Yes, I was jut mentioning that if there ever were a push to include more >> major modes in Emacs, that something like this might be worth >> considering. > > To clarify, I was only talking about programming languages that are > very popular -- I think Emacs should offer those OOTB. I didn't mean > we should necessarily have in core every possible language under the > sun. We could discuss the less popular ones on a case by case basis. Out of curiosity, I checked [0] to see what the languages are said to be popular: | Language | Status | |----------------------+---------------------------------------| | C | Built-In | | Python | Built-In | | Java | Built-In | | C++ | Built-In | | C# | ELPA | | Visual Basic | Not packaged, just EmacsWiki[1] | | JavaScript | Built-In and ELPA (js2-mode) | | PHP | MELPA, NonGNU proposed | | Assembly | Built-In | | SQL | Built-In | | Groovy | MELPA | | Classical VB | Couldn't find anything | | Fortran | Built-In | | R | MELPA (via ess) | | Ruby | Built-In | | Swift | MELPA, NonGNU proposed | | MATLAB | MELPA | | Go | NonGNU | | Prolog | Built-In | | Perl | Built-In | | SAS | MELPA (via ess) | | Delphi/Object Pascal | Just GitHub[2] | | Objective C | Built-In | | Rust | NonGNU | | Scratch | Not applicable (graphical) | | Julia | MELPA, NonGNU proposed | | Ada | Built-In and ELPA | | Lisp | Built-In | | Dart | MELPA, NonGNU proposed | | PL/SQL | Built-In (part of sql-mode) | | (Visual) FoxPro | Nothing I could find | | Scala | MELPA, NonGNU Proposed | | ABAP | Just GitHub[3] | | COBOL | ELPA | | Logo | Mentioned on EmacsWiki[4] | | F# | MELPA | | Kotlin | MELPA, NonGNU proposed | | Transact-SQL | Unsure if this is part of sql-mode | | Lua | NonGNU | | Ladder Logic | Nothing or not applicable (graphical) | | VBScript | Unsure how VBScript relates to VB | | D | MELPA, NonGNU proposed | | Clojure | NonGNU | | LabVIEW | Not applicable (graphical) | | Nim | MELPA, NonGNU proposed | | VHDL | Built-In | | Apex | GitHub[5] | | TypeScript | MELPA, NonGNU proposed | | Bash | Built-In | There are more, but I am not sure how productive it is to continue. What I probably missing more urgently is full compatibility, especially with complex languages like C++, or languages embedded in one another as web developers often work with. [0] https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ [1] https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/VisualBasicMode [2] https://github.com/ki11men0w/emacs-delphi-mode [3] https://github.com/hugo-dc/abap-mode [4] https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/LogoMode [5] https://github.com/ctomo/apex-mode -- Philip Kaludercic