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[83.132.177.247]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f9sm2201794wmf.3.2021.09.28.00.26.38 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 28 Sep 2021 00:26:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <874ka5gsqa.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 28 Sep 2021 07:43:41 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::42f; envelope-from=joaotavora@gmail.com; helo=mail-wr1-x42f.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:275663 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Phil Sainty writes: > >> Won't this break a ton of basic tooling for locating things, if the >> symbol in the file is not the actual symbol? > > Yes, it'll break a lot of tooling.=20 What "lot of tooling"? I don't remmeber seeing a list. If you have one, I'd like to see it, so that I can work on it, eventually. > My argument was: If we want to add something along these lines, it > should be more like Common Lisp's package system. (Not that that's a > perfect system -- I wouldn't want to add it wholesale, but it's pretty > good, and we could take the good parts.) Yes, I concur. I would have liked CL packages too. I've been waiting for those to "magically" appear in Elisp ever since I started using Emacs. What I don't understand is how Shorthands is making that any more difficult. If anything, I would cautiously suspect that it might make it _easier_. > And, yes, doing that would also require a lot of tooling changes, > which I'd want to see happen before doing it. Then get to work! :-) Jo=C3=A3o