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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276898 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Po Lu >> Cc: agzam.ibragimov@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, philipk@posteo.net, >> psainty@orcon.net.nz, emacs-devel@gnu.org, joaotavora@gmail.com, >> mardani29@yahoo.es >> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 20:49:11 +0800 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> > Please tell me that I misunderstood something very important in what >> > you had in mind. >> >> Yes, I was stating that this feature won't find an audience in Emacs >> users, but will instead find one in people who want to use GitHub and VS >> Code to edit Emacs Lisp. > > How can it NOT find any users in Emacs? We edit Lisp all the time, > don't we? Shouldn't advanced features for indentation, syntax > highlight, refactoring, etc. of Emacs Lisp programs be very welcome in > Emacs? I think the question here is would an Elisp LSP server be able to offer anything over a direct implementation within Emacs. That this seems improbable was mentioned previously, so in effect this would only improve the ELisp support for non-Emacs editors (why there would be interest for that I find hard to understand, but that is not the point). -- Philip Kaludercic