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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:277759 Archived-At: Corwin Brust writes: > Thank you for the reply, Lars. > > On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 13:42 Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > >> Corwin Brust writes: >> >> > Are there design goals at stake here that bind-keys leaves aside? And, >> > assuming there, would someone be so kind as to enumerate the design goals >> > for a new keyboard binding layer? >> >> I'm not quite sure what you're asking > > > Now that you ask, I wonderifmy thinkingis muddled, here. > > -- that Emacs should be pre-loaded >> with bind-keys? >> > > That sounds great to me Are there barriers or concerns? If I am not mistaken, bind-keys is a package for user-configurations, right? The intention is to provide a better syntax for modifying existing key maps, while this discussion is about extending core Emacs to simplify the definitions of key maps in (among other things) preloaded packages. -- Philip Kaludercic