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envelope-from=michael_heerdegen@web.de; helo=mout.web.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:134281 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor writes: > See below, if we remain at 48 bits of entropy, but instead of > 60 have an alphabet of only 3 chars, the password length rises > from 8.13 chars to 30.28 ... > > Does this tell us that it is equally difficult to randomly > guess the both passwords from the two different configuration > at these lengths, or what does it tell us? If your calculation is correct, then yes, sure (if it's clear to the attacker what exact alphabet you used). As I said, it's just counting. > What does "48 bits of entropy" mean BTW? Did you have a look at the wikipedia article? Michael.