From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: Free software politics, not world politics please Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2022 14:21:58 +0200 Message-ID: <877d557x21.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <87wnd6w63j.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87r13ew318.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <58467AD5-AF41-4356-9B06-D7A8B15D79BE@gnu.support> <871qvef4j6.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30743"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 29.0.50 Cc: Dmitry Gutov , Uwe Brauer , emacs-tangents@gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 25 14:23:43 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o54pD-0007nD-Fo for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 14:23:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40090 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o54pC-0006Xm-8j for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 08:23:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44858) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o54nr-0006Bf-Cr for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 08:22:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:33000) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o54nm-0002eS-4t for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 08:22:19 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4D6E7279; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 14:22:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9hlh2PA9LZOx; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 14:22:02 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (83.25.108.253.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl [83.25.108.253]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 62DCEE606A; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 14:22:02 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=195.110.48.8; envelope-from=mbork@mbork.pl; helo=mail.mojserwer.eu X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-tangents" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:882 Archived-At: On 2022-06-25, at 12:41, Jean Louis wrote: > By promoting delivery of weapons Herr Uwe Brauer also promotes > continuance of further killing in Ukraine. While I do not claim that Uwe should or should not delete his signature (my personal opinion is he need not delete it, but I am not 100% sure it doesn't conflict with this list's standards), I feel obliged to point out that the above opinion of Jean looks nonsensical. From what I know, Ukrainians do their best to _stop_ the war, and I find it probable that what they are doing is a _just war_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_war_theory). An imperfect analogy. Imagine a serial killer shooting at unarmed kids in a school. Imagine someone may or may not provide a weapon to a guard who would then be able to kill the murderer. Would you call giving the guard a weapon "promoting continuance of further killing at that school"? I surely would not. I _would_ prefer disarming the killer in such a way that _he_ wasn't killed, obviously, but if that is not possible, I consider it morally acceptable to kill him. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl