@string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite

@string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite

[Alain.Cochard]

Hello.

As I do not know which of these alternatives 

   - it is normal, this feature should not be there,
   - it is an oversight,
   - this feature is not implemented yet,
   - it does not work for me for some reason,
   - other,

is valid, I decided to report this minor issue.

Specifically, I followed the following (found on
https://blog.tecosaur.com/tmio/2021-07-31-citations.html, linked from
https://orgmode.org/Changes.html):
 
   So, to summarise, all one needs to get started is:
   #+bibliography: references.bib
   [cite:@key]
   #+print_bibliography:
   That’s it!

My .bib file is 

   @string{jgr="J. Geophys. Res."}
   @ARTICLE{chouet88,
   journal=jgr,
   author={Chouet, B.}, title={Resonance of a fluid-driven crack: [...]},
   year={1988}, volume={93}, number={B5}, pages={4375-4400}

Of course I use [cite:@chouet88].

Then I do 'C-c e l o' and I get (copied from the resulting .pdf):

   Contents
   (Chouet, B., 1988)
   Chouet, B. (1988). Resonance of a fluid-driven crack: [...], jgr.

Regards,
a.

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Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite

[Bruce D'Arcus]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 7:25 AM <Alain.Cochard@unistra.fr> wrote:

> As I do not know which of these alternatives
>
>    - it is normal, this feature should not be there,
>    - it is an oversight,
>    - this feature is not implemented yet,

I believe this is the answer, and it's arguable (I have no opinion,
and could see reasonable arguments either way) whether a "basic"
processor should support it?

The parsebib library, which most third party packages use (for
org-cite, there's my citar), does support this feature.

>    - it does not work for me for some reason,
>    - other,

Bruce

Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite

[Ihor Radchenko]

"Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com> writes:

> On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 7:25 AM <Alain.Cochard@unistra.fr> wrote:
>
>> As I do not know which of these alternatives
>>
>>    - it is normal, this feature should not be there,
>>    - it is an oversight,
>>    - this feature is not implemented yet,
>
> I believe this is the answer, and it's arguable (I have no opinion,
> and could see reasonable arguments either way) whether a "basic"
> processor should support it?
>
> The parsebib library, which most third party packages use (for
> org-cite, there's my citar), does support this feature.

oc-basic.el is relying on built-in bibtex.el. AFAIK, bibtex.el does not
support @string abbreviations.

The problem with parsebib is that it does not even have license
(I do not see any in https://github.com/joostkremers/parsebib). If
parsebib were a part of Emacs core or at least a part of ELPA, we would
also be able to use it in Org core.

Or one could extend bibtex.el with abbreviation support.

Best,
Ihor

Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite [and a minimal working example with natbib]

[Alain.Cochard]

Bruce D'Arcus writes on Fri  8 Jul 2022 08:05:
 > On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 7:25 AM <Alain.Cochard@unistra.fr> wrote:
 > 
 > > As I do not know which of these alternatives
 > >
 > >    - it is normal, this feature should not be there,
 > >    - it is an oversight,
 > >    - this feature is not implemented yet,
 > 
 > I believe this is the answer, and it's arguable (I have no opinion,
 > and could see reasonable arguments either way) whether a "basic"
 > processor should support it?

Is someone using natbib/bibtex (say) expected to never ever use
'basic'? (I don't know.) If so, perhaps there is indeed no need to
implement the feature.  Otherwise, it seems to me that not
implementing it amounts to having to give up on @string altogether.

 > The parsebib library, which most third party packages use (for
 > org-cite, there's my citar), does support this feature.

Thank you.  I guess that if it would have be mentioned I would have
silently accepted it.

Some context: although I have been using org-mode for more than 5
years, I had always delayed the "bibliography step", namely, learn
org-ref.  But wait, now there is org-cite, so which one should I
learn?  Spending days (literally) reading a lot of material, trying to
digest the terminology (it is a real mess).  OK, org-cite seems to be
the future, so I'll give it a try.  First elementary test -> failure
-- so frustrating.  I conclude that the project is not mature enough
(at least the documentation), and I give up.  It is only because I
could not have org-ref work either that I came back to org-cite.

I take the opportunity to say that I think that the simple
self-contained example

   #+bibliography: references.bib
   [cite:@key]
   #+print_bibliography:

should be part of the manual, especially since the
2021-07-31-citations post does not seem to be referred to in the
manual any more (I have org version 9.5.4).

Frankly, the manual was cryptic to me at the beginning (and still is,
to a significant extent -- granted, I am a very slow learner), and I
don't know how much time it would have taken me to come up with this
simple example.

Similar minimal examples with natbib, biblatex, etc., together with
the required instructions in the emacs init file, would also be most
welcome (I spent a day to have one work for me with natbib...  I
include it below, in case it could be useful to someone else; the
examples I found on this mailing list did not work for me).  I
understand that it is not possible to provide an example for each
possible combination of the parameters, but a few ones are perhaps a
reasonable wish?  Not only a working example helps to get started, but
it also helps a lot to understand the documentation in return.
Furthermore, it gets much easier to ask for help: "I did this (or a
slight modification of it), it does not work, please help".

Many thanks and congratulations for org-cite.

Regards.

---------------------------------
my setup for org-cite with natbib
---------------------------------

org file:
---------
#+cite_export: natbib plainnat
#+bibliography: cite.bib
[cite:@chouet88] 
#+print_bibliography:

NB: 'plainnat' above refers to file
/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/bibtex/bst/natbib/plainnat.bst, which,
on my Fedora 34 GNU/Linux distribution, is part of the
texlive-natbib-svn20668.8.31b-39.fc34.noarch rpm package.

cite.bib file:
--------------
@string{jgr="J. Geophys. Res."}
@ARTICLE{chouet88,
journal=jgr,
author={Chouet, B.}, title={Resonance of a fluid-driven crack: [...]},
year={1988}, volume={93}, number={B5}, pages={4375-4400}
}

emacs init file:
----------------
(require 'oc-natbib)
(setq org-latex-pdf-process '("pdflatex -interaction nonstopmode
-output-directory %o %f" "bibtex %b" "pdflatex -interaction
nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f" "pdflatex -interaction
nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f" ) )

NB: It does not work for me without '-interaction nonstopmode' (I have
emacs 27.2 and org 9.5.4.).

Then 'C-c C-e l o' from the org file to display the pdf, which shows:

Contents
[Chouet, 1988]
References
B. Chouet. Resonance of a fluid-driven crack: [...]. J. Geophys. Res.,
93(B5): 4375–4400, 1988.

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Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite

[András Simonyi]

Dear All,

On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 at 05:55, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> wrote:

> The problem with parsebib is that it does not even have license
> (I do not see any in https://github.com/joostkremers/parsebib). If
> parsebib were a part of Emacs core or at least a part of ELPA, we would
> also be able to use it in Org core.

looking into the source code (parsebib.el), the library seems to be
under a BSD-type license.

best wishes,
András

Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite [and a minimal working example with natbib]

[Bruce D'Arcus]

On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 2:10 AM <Alain.Cochard@unistra.fr> wrote:

> I take the opportunity to say that I think that the simple
> self-contained example
>
>    #+bibliography: references.bib
>    [cite:@key]
>    #+print_bibliography:
>
> should be part of the manual, especially since the
> 2021-07-31-citations post does not seem to be referred to in the
> manual any more (I have org version 9.5.4).

The terseness of this section of the manual is a known problem.

I'll try to find time to do a patch to include your suggestions, which
make sense.

Bruce

Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite [and a minimal working example with natbib]

[Ihor Radchenko]

Alain.Cochard@unistra.fr writes:

> Is someone using natbib/bibtex (say) expected to never ever use
> 'basic'? (I don't know.) If so, perhaps there is indeed no need to
> implement the feature.  Otherwise, it seems to me that not
> implementing it amounts to having to give up on @string altogether.

AFAIU, oc-natbib/oc-bibtex also do not support @string because they also
rely upon the built-in Emacs parser for bib files.

I have submitted a bug report to Emacs devs [1]. Hopefully it can be
fixed on Emacs side without a need to switch the bibtex parser.

[1] https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=56475

Best,
Ihor

Can citeproc be installed without using MELPA? (was: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite)

[Ihor Radchenko]

András Simonyi <andras.simonyi@gmail.com> writes:

>> The problem with parsebib is that it does not even have license
>> (I do not see any in https://github.com/joostkremers/parsebib). If
>> parsebib were a part of Emacs core or at least a part of ELPA, we would
>> also be able to use it in Org core.
>
> looking into the source code (parsebib.el), the library seems to be
> under a BSD-type license.

Then, I am wondering if parsebib can be added to ELPA or at least
non-GNU ELPA. The same can be said for all other dependencies of
citeproc.el and for citeproc itself.

Ideally, users should not need to add non-default package repos just to
add support for CSL in Org.

Best,
Ihor

Re: Can citeproc be installed without using MELPA? (was: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite)

[Joost Kremers]

On Sun, Jul 10 2022, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
> András Simonyi <andras.simonyi@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>> The problem with parsebib is that it does not even have license
>>> (I do not see any in https://github.com/joostkremers/parsebib). If
>>> parsebib were a part of Emacs core or at least a part of ELPA, we would
>>> also be able to use it in Org core.
>>
>> looking into the source code (parsebib.el), the library seems to be
>> under a BSD-type license.

Yes, it is. It's a single file and the license is at the top. I can add a
separate license file if that's necessary.

> Then, I am wondering if parsebib can be added to ELPA or at least
> non-GNU ELPA. The same can be said for all other dependencies of
> citeproc.el and for citeproc itself.

I'd have no problem if it were added to non-GNU ELPA. GNU ELPA is a little
difficult because I don't have a copyright assignment on file. (It's proven a
little difficult to get someone in the company to sign the corporate waiver...)



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Re: Can citeproc be installed without using MELPA? (was: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite)

[Ihor Radchenko]

Joost Kremers <joostkremers@fastmail.fm> writes:

>>> looking into the source code (parsebib.el), the library seems to be
>>> under a BSD-type license.
>
> Yes, it is. It's a single file and the license is at the top. I can add a
> separate license file if that's necessary.

It is not required. Just a bit confusing - Github is only able to detect
license info when you have a dedicated license file. Hence, Github
currently treats your repo as unlicensed - no license info is listed in
the "Info" sidebar.

>> Then, I am wondering if parsebib can be added to ELPA or at least
>> non-GNU ELPA. The same can be said for all other dependencies of
>> citeproc.el and for citeproc itself.
>
> I'd have no problem if it were added to non-GNU ELPA. GNU ELPA is a little
> difficult because I don't have a copyright assignment on file. (It's proven a
> little difficult to get someone in the company to sign the corporate waiver...)

non-GNU ELPA is also fine. The idea is to avoid asking users to add
extra package repo configuration. It will be the best if M-x
package-install just works. ELPA and non-GNU ELPA should be available by
default in newer Emacs versions.

Best,
Ihor

Re: Can citeproc be installed without using MELPA? (was: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite)

[András Simonyi]

Dear All,

On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 at 04:05, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> Then, I am wondering if parsebib can be added to ELPA or at least
> >> non-GNU ELPA. The same can be said for all other dependencies of
> >> citeproc.el and for citeproc itself.

> non-GNU ELPA is also fine. The idea is to avoid asking users to add
> extra package repo configuration.

Since the dash library, which is heavily used in citeproc-el, has been
added to GNU ELPA, if parsebib also becomes available in non-GNU ELPA
then I don't so any serious problem with adding citeproc-el to the
latter as well -- the use of the "s" string processing library would
still need to be eliminated but this would require only relatively
minor changes.

best wishes,
András

Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite [and a minimal working example with natbib]

[András Simonyi]

Dear All,

On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 at 09:17, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> wrote:

> AFAIU, oc-natbib/oc-bibtex also do not support @string because they also
> rely upon the built-in Emacs parser for bib files.

> I have submitted a bug report to Emacs devs [1]. Hopefully it can be
> fixed on Emacs side without a need to switch the bibtex parser.

Thanks Ihor for submitting the bug report, I think it will be useful
for Emacs to contain a built-in bibtex parser with proper @string
support.
OTOH, a small correction:  as far as I can see, oc-natbib and
oc-bibtex (and oc-biblatex) do not parse bib(la)tex files at all,
since they simply transform Org citation and bibliography commands to
their LaTeX equivalent.

best wishes,
András

Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite [and a minimal working example with natbib]

[John Kitchin]

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Maybe it is still needed so the tooltip looks nice.

On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 7:15 AM András Simonyi <andras.simonyi@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 at 09:17, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > AFAIU, oc-natbib/oc-bibtex also do not support @string because they also
> > rely upon the built-in Emacs parser for bib files.
>
> > I have submitted a bug report to Emacs devs [1]. Hopefully it can be
> > fixed on Emacs side without a need to switch the bibtex parser.
>
> Thanks Ihor for submitting the bug report, I think it will be useful
> for Emacs to contain a built-in bibtex parser with proper @string
> support.
> OTOH, a small correction:  as far as I can see, oc-natbib and
> oc-bibtex (and oc-biblatex) do not parse bib(la)tex files at all,
> since they simply transform Org citation and bibliography commands to
> their LaTeX equivalent.
>
> best wishes,
> András
>
> --
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Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite [and a minimal working example with natbib]

[András Simonyi]

On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 at 13:36, John Kitchin <jkitchin@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:

> Maybe it is still needed so the tooltip looks nice.

currently, oc-basic.el contains the single activation (fontification)
processor (called "basic") shipped with Org, the other oc-*.el files
provide only export processors.

best wishes,

András

>> OTOH, a small correction:  as far as I can see, oc-natbib and
>> oc-bibtex (and oc-biblatex) do not parse bib(la)tex files at all,
>> since they simply transform Org citation and bibliography commands to
>> their LaTeX equivalent.
>>
>> best wishes,
>> András
>>
> --
> John
>
> -----------------------------------
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> Doherty Hall A207F
> Department of Chemical Engineering
> Carnegie Mellon University
> Pittsburgh, PA 15213
> 412-268-7803
> @johnkitchin
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>

Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite [and a minimal working example with natbib]

[Alain.Cochard]

Alain.Cochard@unistra.fr writes on Sat  9 Jul 2022 08:10:

 > the examples I found on this mailing list did not work for me).

I think I now understand why this was so: because latexmk was not
installed on my system.  In this case the docstring of
org-latex-pdf-process says that

   Its value is ("%latex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o
   %f" "%latex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f"
   "%latex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f")

(which does not include bibtex, hence the problem I had) while, if
latexmk is installed,

   Its value is ("latexmk -f -pdf -%latex -interaction=nonstopmode
   -output-directory=%o %f")

In other words, in the minimal example I provided earlier in the
thread, if latexmk is installed I only need (require 'oc-natbib) in
the emacs init file, in agreement with what others have proposed.

But now I wonder if this excerpt of the docstring:

   Consider a smart LaTeX compiler such as ‘texi2dvi’ or ‘latexmk’,
   which calls the "correct" combinations of auxiliary programs.

is appropriate.  How understand it when latexmk _is_ installed?  But
even when latexmk is not installed, I don't find the sentence helpful.
In fact, I had read this part but, as I did not know what latexmk was,
I did not know what to do with it.  Perhaps I would have understood if
it had been explicit that the value of org-latex-pdf-process depends
on the existence of latexmk.  (And I still don't understand the
relevance of the reference to texi2dvi.)


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Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite

[Ihor Radchenko]

Alain.Cochard@unistra.fr writes:

> My .bib file is 
>
>    @string{jgr="J. Geophys. Res."}
>    @ARTICLE{chouet88,
>    journal=jgr,
>    author={Chouet, B.}, title={Resonance of a fluid-driven crack: [...]},
>    year={1988}, volume={93}, number={B5}, pages={4375-4400}

Fixed on main via c550a4290.

After discussion with Emacs devs, it turned out that there is a way to
make bibtex.el parse and substitute @string abbreviations.

Best,
Ihor

Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite

[Alain.Cochard]

Ihor Radchenko writes on Sun 17 Jul 2022 16:26:

 > Fixed on main via c550a4290.
 > 
 > After discussion with Emacs devs, it turned out that there is a way to
 > make bibtex.el parse and substitute @string abbreviations.

I don't know what "Fixed on main via c550a4290" means, but I just made
a 'git pull' (release_9.5.4-630-gbf930b) and now @string is expanded
as expected.

Thanks.


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Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite

[Joost Kremers]

On Sun, Jul 17 2022, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
> Alain.Cochard@unistra.fr writes:
>
>> My .bib file is 
>>
>>    @string{jgr="J. Geophys. Res."}
>>    @ARTICLE{chouet88,
>>    journal=jgr,
>>    author={Chouet, B.}, title={Resonance of a fluid-driven crack: [...]},
>>    year={1988}, volume={93}, number={B5}, pages={4375-4400}
>
> Fixed on main via c550a4290.
>
> After discussion with Emacs devs, it turned out that there is a way to
> make bibtex.el parse and substitute @string abbreviations.

So does this mean there is no longer any reason to add parsebib to (Non-)GNU
ELPA?


-- 
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Life has its moments

Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite

[Bruce D'Arcus]

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 4:37 PM Joost Kremers <joostkremers@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 17 2022, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
> > Alain.Cochard@unistra.fr writes:
> >
> >> My .bib file is
> >>
> >>    @string{jgr="J. Geophys. Res."}
> >>    @ARTICLE{chouet88,
> >>    journal=jgr,
> >>    author={Chouet, B.}, title={Resonance of a fluid-driven crack: [...]},
> >>    year={1988}, volume={93}, number={B5}, pages={4375-4400}
> >
> > Fixed on main via c550a4290.
> >
> > After discussion with Emacs devs, it turned out that there is a way to
> > make bibtex.el parse and substitute @string abbreviations.
>
> So does this mean there is no longer any reason to add parsebib to (Non-)GNU
> ELPA?

No, since parsebib is an important dependency for citeproc-el, and
Ihor was suggesting Andras try to get that in ELPA.

Bruce

Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite

[Joost Kremers]

On Tue, Jul 19 2022, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
>> So does this mean there is no longer any reason to add parsebib to (Non-)GNU
>> ELPA?
>
> No, since parsebib is an important dependency for citeproc-el, and
> Ihor was suggesting Andras try to get that in ELPA.

Ok, thanks. Sending my copyright assignment now...

-- 
Joost Kremers
Life has its moments

Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite

[Ihor Radchenko]

Joost Kremers <joostkremers@fastmail.fm> writes:

> On Tue, Jul 19 2022, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
>>> So does this mean there is no longer any reason to add parsebib to (Non-)GNU
>>> ELPA?
>>
>> No, since parsebib is an important dependency for citeproc-el, and
>> Ihor was suggesting Andras try to get that in ELPA.
>
> Ok, thanks. Sending my copyright assignment now...

Did you manage to get the copyright form from FSF?
They are supposed to respond within 5 working days.

Best,
Ihor

Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite

[Joost]

On Thu, 28 Jul 2022, at 14:12, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
> Did you manage to get the copyright form from FSF?
> They are supposed to respond within 5 working days.

Yeah, I have the form. I signed it and scanned it, just haven't sent it off yet...

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Life has its moments

Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite [and a minimal working example with natbib]

[Ihor Radchenko]

Alain.Cochard@unistra.fr writes:

> Alain.Cochard@unistra.fr writes on Sat  9 Jul 2022 08:10:
>
>  > the examples I found on this mailing list did not work for me).
>
> I think I now understand why this was so: because latexmk was not
> installed on my system.  In this case the docstring of
> org-latex-pdf-process says that
>
>    Its value is ("%latex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o
>    %f" "%latex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f"
>    "%latex -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f")
>
> (which does not include bibtex, hence the problem I had) while, if
> latexmk is installed,

Can we improve the default value to have a BibTeX call?

Also, we may add a section describing recommended software to be
installed for LaTeX export (like latexmk).

WDYT?

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Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite

[Ihor Radchenko]

Joost <joostkremers@fastmail.fm> writes:

> On Thu, 28 Jul 2022, at 14:12, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
>> Did you manage to get the copyright form from FSF?
>> They are supposed to respond within 5 working days.
>
> Yeah, I have the form. I signed it and scanned it, just haven't sent it off yet...

May I know if there is any update on the copyright assignment situation?
If you need any help, we can provide it.

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Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite

[Joost Kremers]

On Sun, Oct 30 2022, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
> May I know if there is any update on the copyright assignment situation?
> If you need any help, we can provide it.

I have signed the form and sent it in, and I have received the counter-signed
form back from the FSF.

Parsebib's Github page mentions 6 contributors, however, and I have no idea if
they all have copyright assignments, or if their contributions are small enough
not to require one.

I could dive into that and see if we need more copyright assignments, or I could
ask for parsebib to be included in non-GNU Elpa, which would probably be faster.
Don't know if you have a preference.

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Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite

[Ihor Radchenko]

Joost Kremers <joostkremers@fastmail.fm> writes:

> On Sun, Oct 30 2022, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
>> May I know if there is any update on the copyright assignment situation?
>> If you need any help, we can provide it.
>
> I have signed the form and sent it in, and I have received the counter-signed
> form back from the FSF.

Thanks!

> Parsebib's Github page mentions 6 contributors, however, and I have no idea if
> they all have copyright assignments, or if their contributions are small enough
> not to require one.

The rules are in https://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/maintain.html#Legally-Significant

Shuguang Sun contributed TINYCHANGE (no need for copyright assignment;
   though he contributed ~15LOC and it is on the edge)
Martin R. Albrecht also contributed TINYCHANGE
Alex Branham -- TINYCHANGE
aikrahguzar -- TINYCHANGE
András Simonyi has copyright assignment (see
  https://orgmode.org/worg/contributors.html)
And you have the copyright assignment

> I could dive into that and see if we need more copyright assignments, or I could
> ask for parsebib to be included in non-GNU Elpa, which would probably be faster.
> Don't know if you have a preference.

I see no obstacles to go for ELPA, unless you have strong reasons to
avoid asking copyright assignment for future contributors.

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Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite

[Joost Kremers]

On Thu, Nov 03 2022, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
> The rules are in https://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/maintain.html#Legally-Significant
>
> Shuguang Sun contributed TINYCHANGE (no need for copyright assignment;
>    though he contributed ~15LOC and it is on the edge)
> Martin R. Albrecht also contributed TINYCHANGE
> Alex Branham -- TINYCHANGE
> aikrahguzar -- TINYCHANGE
> András Simonyi has copyright assignment (see
>   https://orgmode.org/worg/contributors.html)
> And you have the copyright assignment

How did you determine this, if I may ask? aikrahguzar's contribution at first
sight seems more involved, though I admit part of those changes is stuff being
moved around.

> I see no obstacles to go for ELPA, unless you have strong reasons to
> avoid asking copyright assignment for future contributors.

No, I don't have reasons to avoid that.

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Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite

[Ihor Radchenko]

Joost Kremers <joostkremers@fastmail.fm> writes:

>> aikrahguzar -- TINYCHANGE
>
> How did you determine this, if I may ask? aikrahguzar's contribution at first
> sight seems more involved, though I admit part of those changes is stuff being
> moved around.

Mmm.. By manually checking magit log. It can provide extra highlight for
things that have been changed and also moved around (which is more
accurate than raw LOC count from git).

And I missed one of the aikrahguzar's commits. With f41befa, his
contribution exceeds 15LOC.

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Re: @string abbreviation in bib file not honored in (basic) org-cite

[Joost Kremers]

On Sat, Nov 05 2022, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
> Mmm.. By manually checking magit log. It can provide extra highlight for
> things that have been changed and also moved around (which is more
> accurate than raw LOC count from git).
> 
> And I missed one of the aikrahguzar's commits. With f41befa, his
> contribution exceeds 15LOC.

I can see if he/she is willing to sign a copyright assignment form.

There's another contributor not reflected in the commit log, however. The code
that removes TeX markup was originally part of Ebib and contributed by Hugo
Heagren. I moved it to parsebib without thinking about proper attribution. I'll
ask him as well.



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