couldn't org-table-create-with-table\.el respect hline

couldn't org-table-create-with-table\.el respect hline

[Uwe Brauer]

Hi

I start with 



| Example | Text    | Dates        | other   |
|---------+---------+--------------+---------|
| this    | comment | <2022-01-28 vie> | nothing |


That is converted to 



+---------+---------+--------------+---------+
| Example | Text    | Dates        | other   |
+---------+---------+--------------+---------+
| this    | comment | <2022-01-28 vie> | nothing |
+---------+---------+--------------+---------+


And is converted back to 


| Example | Text    | Dates        | other   |
| this    | comment | <2022-01-28 vie> | nothing |


Couldn't in the last step the hlines be respected?

Regards

Uwe Brauer 

Re: couldn't org-table-create-with-table\.el respect hline

[Ihor Radchenko]

Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:

> I start with 
>
>
>
> | Example | Text    | Dates        | other   |
> |---------+---------+--------------+---------|
> | this    | comment | <2022-01-28 vie> | nothing |
>
>
> That is converted to 
>
>
>
> +---------+---------+--------------+---------+
> | Example | Text    | Dates        | other   |
> +---------+---------+--------------+---------+
> | this    | comment | <2022-01-28 vie> | nothing |
> +---------+---------+--------------+---------+
>
>
> And is converted back to 
>
>
> | Example | Text    | Dates        | other   |
> | this    | comment | <2022-01-28 vie> | nothing |
>
>
> Couldn't in the last step the hlines be respected?

That would not make sense.
AFAIK, table.el has no notion of hlines. The +---+ separators in
table.el tables mark cell boundaries, not hlines.

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Re: couldn't org-table-create-with-table\.el respect hline

[Uwe Brauer]

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>>> "IR" == Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:

> Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:
>> I start with 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> | Example | Text    | Dates        | other   |
>> |---------+---------+--------------+---------|
>> | this    | comment | <2022-01-28 vie> | nothing |
>> 
>> 
>> That is converted to 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> +---------+---------+--------------+---------+
>> | Example | Text    | Dates        | other   |
>> +---------+---------+--------------+---------+
>> | this    | comment | <2022-01-28 vie> | nothing |
>> +---------+---------+--------------+---------+
>> 
>> 
>> And is converted back to 
>> 
>> 
>> | Example | Text    | Dates        | other   |
>> | this    | comment | <2022-01-28 vie> | nothing |
>> 
>> 
>> Couldn't in the last step the hlines be respected?

> That would not make sense.
> AFAIK, table.el has no notion of hlines. The +---+ separators in
> table.el tables mark cell boundaries, not hlines.

It would make sense if I later want to export the final table (after converting org-->table-->org

To say latex. There the hlines make a difference, that is why I am asking

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Re: couldn't org-table-create-with-table\.el respect hline

[Ihor Radchenko]

Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:

>>> Couldn't in the last step the hlines be respected?
>
>> That would not make sense.
>> AFAIK, table.el has no notion of hlines. The +---+ separators in
>> table.el tables mark cell boundaries, not hlines.
>
> It would make sense if I later want to export the final table (after converting org-->table-->org

org-->table conversion is not reversible. hlines are not part of
table.el syntax and cannot be retained.

> To say latex. There the hlines make a difference, that is why I am asking

I recommend using native Org tables.

Do you need a specific table.el feature that you miss in native Org tables?

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Re: couldn't org-table-create-with-table\.el respect hline

[Uwe Brauer]

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> Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:

   org--> table conversion is not reversible. hlines are not part of
> table.el syntax and cannot be retained.


> I recommend using native Org tables.

> Do you need a specific table.el feature that you miss in native Org tables?

 Merging and splitting cells!

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Re: couldn't org-table-create-with-table\.el respect hline

[Ihor Radchenko]

Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:

>> Do you need a specific table.el feature that you miss in native Org tables?
>
>  Merging and splitting cells!

Can you please send a separate message detailing the feature request and
how you envision this functionality to work? (I know that many people
desire this feature, but it is not easy. A good dedicated discussion
may help to push things forward in this area.)

Also, I am wondering what happens with merged cells when you convert
from table.el to native Org tables. I suspect that it does not work
well... 

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Re: couldn't org-table-create-with-table\.el respect hline

[Uwe Brauer]

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>>> "IR" == Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:

> Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> writes:
>>> Do you need a specific table.el feature that you miss in native Org tables?
>> 
>> Merging and splitting cells!

> Can you please send a separate message detailing the feature request and
> how you envision this functionality to work? (I know that many people
> desire this feature, but it is not easy. A good dedicated discussion
> may help to push things forward in this area.)

Ok I do this later.

I suspect that the wrapping function might be useful.


> Also, I am wondering what happens with merged cells when you convert
> from table.el to native Org tables. I suspect that it does not work
> well... 

Well the hline problem makes it somehow difficult 😉

But when I was able to convert, the merged cells end up as individual
cells, so it did not help

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