From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 59275-done@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#59275: Unexpected return value of `string-collate-lessp' on Mac
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 02:03:43 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <877czimpz4.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83sfib172p.fsf@gnu.org>
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> We use string collation for
>>
>> 1. Sorting bibliographies
>> 2. Sorting lists
>> 3. Sorting table lines
>> 4. Sorting tags
>> 5. Sorting headings
>> 6. Sorting entries in agendas
>> 7. As a criterion for agenda/tag filtering when comparison operator is
>> used on string property values (11.3.3 Matching tags and properties)
>>
>> 1-6 should follow the locale.
>
> I think only 1 and 6 are firmly in that category. For the others it depends
> on whether the results of the sorting are immediately displayed, or used for
> further processing. In the former case, using string-collate-lessp is
> semi-okay ("semi" because producing different results in different locales
> can still confuse users); in the latter case it is wrong, IMO, because you
> will cause unexpected results.
1-6 are for interactive use.
As Maxim pointed out in
https://orgmode.org/list/tlle59$pl3$1@ciao.gmane.io,
`string-collate-lessp' generally yield better results for human
consumption:
" (setq lst '("semana" "señor" "sepia"))
(sort lst #'string-lessp) ; => ("semana" "sepia" "señor")
(sort lst #'string-collate-lessp) ; => ("semana" "señor" "sepia")
"
In the same thread, we also discussed what Org can do about MacOS and
other systems that do not implement string collation.
We concluded that a better fallback when collation is not available
would be using downcase+string-lessp when `string-collate-lessp' is
called with non-nil IGNORE-CASE argument.
Would it be acceptable for Emacs to change the fallback behavior of
`string-collate-lessp' to:
1. If string collation is not available and IGNORE-CASE is nil, fallback
to`string-lessp';
2. If string collation is not available and IGNORE-CASE is non-nil,
use `downcase' + `string-lessp'.
This will not compromise consistency and will yield slightly better
fallback results.
I also do not think that it will be backwards-incompatible. If the call
to `string-collate-lessp' explicitly requests ignoring case, `downcase'
is more expected than bare `string-lessp' that _does not_ ignore case.
WDYT?
--
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
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Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-11-26 2:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-11-15 4:08 bug#59275: Unexpected return value of `string-collate-lessp' on Mac Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-15 9:51 ` Robert Pluim
2022-11-16 3:47 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-15 13:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-15 15:05 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-15 15:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-16 1:34 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-16 13:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-21 7:28 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-21 13:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-22 1:24 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-22 12:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-23 10:39 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-23 14:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-24 2:22 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-24 7:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-26 2:03 ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2022-11-26 8:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-26 8:47 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-26 9:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-27 14:00 ` Maxim Nikulin
2022-11-27 14:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-27 15:19 ` Maxim Nikulin
2022-11-27 15:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
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