From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Closures - do you understand them well? Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2023 11:13:17 +0100 Message-ID: <877cw2yu6a.fsf@web.de> References: <87h6y5pt8k.fsf@web.de> <87bkodpqnk.fsf@web.de> <87k030tlfh.fsf@web.de> <87ilike1l8.fsf@gnu.org> <87cz8suv92.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87pmcpo1wz.fsf@web.de> <87pmcpm9vn.fsf@web.de> <87sfg8xcps.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87h6wmacdn.fsf@web.de> <87v8krlo9q.fsf@dataswamp.org> <875ycrsd2c.fsf@web.de> <87ilfowq63.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8377"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 28 11:14:07 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pWwzn-0001yd-BO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2023 11:14:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pWwz7-0005HM-7o; Tue, 28 Feb 2023 05:13:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pWwz6-0005H9-1q for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2023 05:13:24 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pWwz4-0003k0-6k for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2023 05:13:23 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=s29768273; t=1677579200; i=michael_heerdegen@web.de; bh=dBfdQt5XPydhyTYmDy4lTCPuPUoZPVlCglBJI0aV+Is=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=TE8RCdsYiH1proJMCMtLbzFzcbKyPfPTESiqN5HriA5HTroVQLVH6m/OBa06MWfls u+GjQsE681lqWFNGZpYf296YGOrIt4MwI5EC20NeUD2JYmvtey37k0tOUTDRoiR8g7 TVnIVuIkhni0u2RyBsvFwzpzk+9eHqFsR1JecCsZsHWoqRTmsCVahus1XI+gmQx3yX iM/d0+uZph20WtbzRnO22jHh9kEirMmugMC9l8o98D4RMHxmC6/yktC5KSgJpLz69p tDWcHEWwTLILWE1DYC8lRs+Vz6bNYmGtUhOb+2fd+nlNLD3Cs4u6Iaaj4BNu50DFrk iPnEXNZMKi17w== X-UI-Sender-Class: 814a7b36-bfc1-4dae-8640-3722d8ec6cd6 Original-Received: from drachen.dragon ([84.59.210.57]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb005 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N1Lwd-1oVGKq3r4t-012mwt; Tue, 28 Feb 2023 11:13:19 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87ilfowq63.fsf@dataswamp.org> (Emanuel Berg's message of "Sun, 26 Feb 2023 13:45:56 +0100") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Cw3ygQtLHIPUZBqgfwQz2uZWV8aNIJGeLRkRoQ73AqFOmB2i7Re cfd/P1L0xzF/XE0aX4n71dMaCp4eUX1ujO67fEmbfvGwo8KpR9aq7FJikhLAU9nIhRL+Uls SrXp82GrUWh5WaRR4aE6Kahm0bpotKD1NgQuBBJO9U5kU+PqY42qY3rRsCvhfV07r5192Hf gxJYiFPic7r7DKPimFXmg== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:46nJbrquN/o=;K0IyQLAvZfZTEFNK/jpGzqWf0Rn vB/MuVQK2t+nwWz1WKjYAXgWdT3Pw4tClu4b/NhzVr9gMQYCW7bYptY9UHF6kTAUwEnSa9bu8 wfvCpNzL1dMT+nw2A+OtccX69K7QwLs2Dm79uWCx6GbAhDujgsGpHJjHmxwcXQkjNBO2CkM2C vUXWZL8osUnEXjyyvZnVBaFfCW8ZOhadRYSI3AzW2bPirVpIq1GhxQQT+y5xJNMpvt9KHVxSW ZBwNOk7u7XhYneZAUXSac+yGilJj8GE9qL7N9DgiqnTe75fTFITcuGuBqdU6syz7meOu7Rl10 sVa33h3uavhqfxokGPQxMcS6GyL4kOs55ghb9wJS/n7ZzjA2aKuY4rn6fBoS6KAjOUeigmVg9 oBfnUlaR+vJbBQ9AOMbiTVnQbwcNbvB+58MWayCaSYuInvRhNZY6BvU+cIqYol61HrgJDfI7J b+B6rj2asH7cbazbEg8zCyGgazHzZepsmlF/MlpZii1QvyhiAZj8LSn1hi1OjFA26+QMy37Y0 UG00S3vAiYBwHIcSjVymymJzkPD0Uh1H+UdMxO/bi5Nuy5X6SkCEg4XRGyOcH0RfPs8gQGYia Snz5nishpNbBefOpoRGgY7wBuE0NLZJ1lOP9Cu7ARyVz5Pc6Q0sZSloCdCZ9YVz0tEm3wpyEc ugx77dWZOGkAI7s85qEwOAwu6UHUimG1Y1HCNNlJcFxvyI/IBVGRgL3xLSSDCS/831FW/jaXl ilEpQqBr3shkkCAJl5uqpqgc60P2JrVox6cFmGCcuqjchJKUvd0D+vaOmtrcrws4Ba3B4bq7 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.3; envelope-from=michael_heerdegen@web.de; helo=mout.web.de X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:142874 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg writes: > >> And what values are the correct function values then? > > > > Lexical closures use a different representation - see > > > > (info "(elisp) Closures") > > > > The actual structure is not interesting for programming > > any more. > > Are we talking lexical let-closures? Why not? Unless I still misunderstand your question: Lisp is a high-level language, not Assembler, so like you don't modify the bytes of byte-code functions by hand, you also don't edit the internal representation of closures. Michael.