From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Welsh Duggan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#62248: 29.0.60; nil obsolete Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:15:11 -0400 Message-ID: <877cve1qf4.fsf@md5i.com> References: <875yay3hco.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <875yay3hco.fsf@yahoo.com> <87bkkq1rg6.fsf@md5i.com> <838rfuczfc.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12901"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Michael Welsh Duggan , 62248@debbugs.gnu.org, luangruo@yahoo.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 18 08:16:18 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pdQna-0003B4-EB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 08:16:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pdQnL-00011S-Oy; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:16:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pdQnK-000118-F4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:16:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pdQnK-0003Az-6D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:16:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pdQnJ-0000SO-VZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:16:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Michael Welsh Duggan Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 07:16:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 62248 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 62248-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B62248.16791237231702 (code B ref 62248); Sat, 18 Mar 2023 07:16:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 62248) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Mar 2023 07:15:23 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46055 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pdQmh-0000RO-9W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:15:23 -0400 Original-Received: from md5i.com ([75.151.244.229]:55842) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pdQmf-0000R9-QQ for 62248@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:15:22 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=md5i.com; s=dkim; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References:In-Reply-To: Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=4+xgyXNOE4vCtdETdLc8PXG7ylEK4gD3+nsYWynfUM0=; b=ZJSVY/6RkdEGj1HZlTGa728S5P 1D9hwcjJCDymfu/TKnCOmNrFJgrBOYRGnkmBvTRuMA/fjk0ksFuSuH4u2xte+m6ykmrDD1nwFvQsM GCanx9KXm8Pgh8B2hWFaLItpF; Original-Received: from abode ([192.168.177.1]:39034 helo=miko) by md5i.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1pdQmV-00HKz1-1h; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:15:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: <838rfuczfc.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 18 Mar 2023 09:05:11 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:258128 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com >> From: Michael Welsh Duggan >> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 02:52:57 -0400 >> >> Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text >> editors" writes: >> >> > Type: >> > >> > C-h v nil RET >> > >> > Emacs will describe `nil' as obsolete since 29.1. >> > That is absurd. >> >> Happens for me too, but not with -Q. So some common package is causing >> this, likely by accident. > > Can you step through help-fns--var-obsolete and tell what you see > there? E.g., does (get nil 'byte-obsolete-variable) return non-nil? > > If so, how about running Emacs with a breakpoint in Fput and condition > that symbol == Qnil (assuming your Emacs is not configured to > represent Lisp objects as structs)? I traced it, in my instance, to this line from url-gw.el: (make-obsolete-variable url-gw-rlogin-obsolete-warned-once nil "29.1") Maybe `make-obsolete-variable' should warn or error with nil as its initial argument. -- Michael Welsh Duggan (md5i@md5i.com)