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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308652 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Philip Kaludercic >> Cc: danny@dfreeman.email, emacs-devel@gnu.org, manuel.uberti@inventati.org >> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 20:22:32 +0000 >> >> This was my understanding as well, and while I understand it from a >> technical perspective, I have a hunch there must be a tolerable >> alternative with a better user interface. >> >> Perhaps this is a point at which the approach at which the major-mode >> abstraction breaks down and has to be rethought? There have been >> instances of alternative major modes for different languages in the past >> (cperl, perl; js, js2, js3) that have found one way or another to >> co-exist, but seeing how this is becoming more and more common, it would >> be nice to have some consistent and unified way of expressing these >> kinds of alternatives. > > If someone suggests such an arrangement, and demonstrates its > viability in at least one example, we could discuss that and perhaps > decide on migration towards such an approach. So far, no one came > with any workable ideas, AFAIR. OK good to know that there is potential interest. I had a few ideas I wanted to try out. As soon as (or if ever) I have something working, I'll push the code to a feature/ branch and ping this thread again >> > The aspects of these modes that are not yet firmly decided are how to >> > activate/deactivate them in a way that would be convenient and simple. >> > But I don't think we will be removing the *-ts-modes as major modes, >> > no. >> >> I get that we wouldn't want to remove them, out of backwards >> compatibility, but is the plan to write more ...-ts-mode major modes? > > Yes, I think so. There doesn't seem to be any good alternative in > existence.