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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:316315 Archived-At: JD Smith writes: > This is the slippery slope I alluded to, and it is a credible > argument. To explore its boundaries, let's consider a scenario in > which the IDL language were well and truly dead. No existing licensed > interpreter capable of running IDL code existed any longer on any > system (licenses expire). Would maintaining this package in the core > be worth it at that point? If not, this indicates that the costs are > indeed non-zero. No, the question of cost to maintainence is simply moot if the software should become irreversibly useless. Please, let's be reasonable, consider realistic scenarios, and save the extreme hypotheticals for another day.