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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321972 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>> "SK" =3D=3D Stefan Kangas writes: > Richard Stallman writes: >> Should we make the old name `find-file-not-found-hooks' an alias for >> `find-file-not-found-functions'? Perhaps make it obsolete now, and >> rename it in version 32? > It was declared obsolete (with `define-obsolete-variable-alias') already > in Emacs version 22.1, and it was subsequently removed in Emacs 29.1. Let me add some comments, as a very-long-time user. The problem I encountered has to do with auto-insert-tkld.el a package that dates back to 1988, and still works and does the job it was designed for. Now renaming a functionality breaks down older packages (and in this particular case I would have preferred if that hook (or function) had been called find-file-not-found-hook-functions, or something like this, because it makes it easier for the user to pin down the problem. I recently slowed down in trying out the latest emacs versions (that is master), just because of this issue: renaming functions and variables will cause me to spend maybe a couple of days fixing things. Don't get me wrong, if there is a new exciting feature, like full BIDI support or prettify-symbols-mode, I will try it out. But nowadays I only upgrade if the packages I use most, like auctex and orgmode require it. I wished there was compatibility file, in which old for some reason obsolete variables, functions etc would go so that the user you upgrade more swiftly. Regards Uwe Brauer =2D-=20 I strongly condemn Hamas heinous despicable pogroms/atrocities on Israel I strongly condemn Putin's war of aggression against Ukraine. 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