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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322016 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Indeed. We leave these obsolete aliases for several major releases to > give people enough time to pay attention to those obsolescence > warnings, and change their code before the obsolete > variables/functions are actually deleted. Several comments,=20 1. I =C2=ABload=C2=BB via require and I therefore those message are som= ewhat difficult to notice. 2. When I compile I of course see the warnings, but do you suggest that I just byte compile all my files after installing a new Emacs version? 3. 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