From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: One possible bug-tracking system. Date: 20 Jun 2004 08:38:00 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87659mxscn.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> References: <20040620023857.1845.LEKTU@mi.madritel.es> <20040620011728.GA4120@fencepost> <20040620032820.BD4D.LEKTU@mi.madritel.es> <87pt7vxai0.fsf_-_@floss.red-bean.com> <87lliibbwx.fsf@emacswiki.org> <87fz8qxuwg.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <200406201939.i5KJdxf24190@raven.dms.auburn.edu> Reply-To: kfogel@red-bean.com NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1087761368 25700 80.91.224.253 (20 Jun 2004 19:56:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:56:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lektu@mi.madritel.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org, alex@emacswiki.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 20 21:56:00 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Bc8Q4-0007Ec-00 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:56:00 +0200 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Bc8Q4-0003ai-00 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:56:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Bc8RH-0002eB-I7 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:57:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Bc8R9-0002YV-Ip for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:57:07 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1Bc8R7-0002XW-KV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:57:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Bc8R7-0002XE-8I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:57:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [207.115.63.73] (helo=pimout5-ext.prodigy.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bc8P7-0007ke-2M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:55:01 -0400 Original-Received: from floss.red-bean.com (adsl-65-42-91-60.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net [65.42.91.60]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10 milter /8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5KJsm4G111832; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:54:53 -0400 Original-Received: from kfogel by floss.red-bean.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 1Bc2WG-0005te-00; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:38:00 -0500 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck Emacs: ... it's not just a way of life, it's a text editor! In-Reply-To: <200406201939.i5KJdxf24190@raven.dms.auburn.edu> Original-Lines: 33 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:25130 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:25130 Luc Teirlinck writes: > We are in a feature freeze right now. A bug tracker seems to have > nothing to do with getting ready for the next release. We are not > going to get rid of every single bug before the next release. Would > be nice, but it is not going to happen. Maybe there are a few bugs > that are so major that they _need_ to be taken care of before the next > release. They can be listed in the etc/FOR-RELEASE file that Richard > is going to create. Can we not have a discussion about the long term > need for a bug tracker and which form that should have _after_ the > release? That's right, a bug tracker has nothing to do with getting ready for the next release. (I thought we'd already established that those are unrelated discussions...) Preparing for the release is not everyone's priority. Tracking bug reports is an entirely different thing. It's not about the upcoming release. It's about having a sense of what's wrong in Emacs at any given time, so people who only have time to do discrete tasks can more easily prioritize. I don't believe that overview is possible without a tracking system. For some of us, the overview would be very helpful, and would make us more helpful than we are right now. I never said anything about getting rid of every single bug before the next release, so I'm not sure what you're rebutting there :-). Why does the discussion need to happen after the release? Do you think that the discussion is occupying people who would otherwise be working on the manual, or on other things from Richard's list? That's not the case for me; I doubt it's the case for most other participants either. -Karl