From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tooltips and menus Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:26:35 -0400 Message-ID: <8764jx8ras.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <874pzjkuap.fsf@mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1148347631 27367 80.91.229.2 (23 May 2006 01:27:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 01:27:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 23 03:27:09 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiLfp-0002G0-L6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 03:27:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiLfp-0005J4-53 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:27:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FiLfd-0005Ip-FC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:26:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiLfc-0005I5-CB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:26:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [18.72.1.2] (helo=south-station-annex.mit.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FiLji-0001hs-Jo; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:31:02 -0400 Original-Received: from grand-central-station.mit.edu (GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.82]) by south-station-annex.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id k4N1QjHU024503; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from outgoing-legacy.mit.edu (OUTGOING-LEGACY.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.104]) by grand-central-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id k4N1QiMO010659; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from cyd (SYDNEYPACIFIC-FOUR-TWENTY-FIVE.MIT.EDU [18.95.6.170]) ) by outgoing-legacy.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id k4N1QZnX000526; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from cyd by cyd with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1FiLfP-0000hf-00; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:26:35 -0400 Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 22 May 2006 11:11:51 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Spam-Score: -1.215 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:55095 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Apparently not. This is why most applications, as far as I can tell, > avoid using tooltips in menu entries. > > Should Emacs do that too? I suggested this some time ago. The consensus on this list was to keep using tooltips; the reason offered was that the tooltips provide extra information. Personally, I think that menu entries should be written in such a way that all the necessary information is right there, without need for tooltips. If that's too radical a concept for people to swallow, another idea is to remove tooltips for menu entries that open up submenus. Tthat's what the Gnome menu does, and will probably solve the particular problem that Richard noticed.