From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Berman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Initial splash screen Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:19:50 +0200 Message-ID: <87645g6ph5.fsf@escher.local.home> References: <4679F561.4030600@hacksaw.org> <87d4zomyiw.fsf@red-bean.com> <87fy4kjy0k.fsf@red-bean.com> <467AF6CC.2000300@gnu.org> <86ejk4jtno.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <87ir9g70eo.fsf_-_@escher.local.home> <86ir9gi5a2.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1182527188 6635 80.91.229.12 (22 Jun 2007 15:46:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:46:28 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 22 17:46:22 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1I1lL3-0005rG-2b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:46:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1lL2-0001mE-HF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:46:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I1lJb-0000pf-J5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:44:51 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I1lJZ-0000oR-9x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:44:50 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1lJY-0000oG-Vi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:44:49 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1I1lJY-0005Su-94 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:44:48 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I1kZc-00032T-TX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:57:20 +0200 Original-Received: from i577bf6fd.versanet.de ([87.123.246.253]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:57:20 +0200 Original-Received: from Stephen.Berman by i577bf6fd.versanet.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:57:20 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 40 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: i577bf6fd.versanet.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:73631 Archived-At: On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:43:01 +0200 David Kastrup wrote: > Stephen Berman writes: [...] >> This may have been suggested before (I haven't searched the archives >> for it), but since the issue has been raised again, what about this: >> show the splash screen the first time the user invokes Emacs (even >> with a file name) and ask whether to show it on the next invocation. > > This is a bad idea since the splash screen contains quite a bit of > _useful_ information, Indeed, but once the user has learned that information, she may not wish to be reminded of it at each invocation; my proposal amounts to letting users set inhibit-splash-screen to t, but in the immediate context of being presented with the useful information they should know, effectively making them decide that they know the information. > and starting Emacs without a filename gives us a > frame where nothing useful can be displayed yet. Well, that's what being debated in the thread I forked off of; many people do find an initial *scratch* buffer useful. > So there is no point in not showing the splash screen indefinitely if > we are called without file name. If by `indefinitely' you mean upon every invocation, again, the point is the same as the reason for having inhibit-splash-screen, whose effect is not constrained to starting Emacs with a file name. > But _with_ a file name, the situation is different, and we should > cater for it differently. I don't see such a difference: the information in the splash screen should be learned even if a user always starts Emacs with a file name (and once the information is learned, the splash screen need not appear any more, even if you start Emacs without a file name). Steve Berman