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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:75015 Archived-At: "Alfred M. Szmidt" writes: Hi Alfred, > > This will make Emacs even more difficult to use for new or > > occasional users. They would need to know a key combination just > > to get started. And it would be much more annoying than the > > current situation. > > Then all users that like the scratch buffer as it is right now > would need to `C-x C-q' on startup. And what if you don't want the > splash-screen at all? > > The splash screen can always be disabled using inhibit-splash-screen. Yes, I know that. But how would I get a *scratch* buffer if I've set inhibit-splash-screen to t? Then I cannot read the "Type C-x C-q to get a scratch buffer" message. Well, of course I can add the command C-x C-q is bound to in the splash screen to my ~/.emacs, but I like the fact that *scratch* is there by default. Else a new user possibly won't find out how useful it is. Bye, Tassilo -- A morning without coffee is like something without something else.