From: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: wilde@sha-bang.de, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance...
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:59:12 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87642gsta6.fsf@jurta.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <85abrskhv7.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Tue\, 11 Sep 2007 23\:33\:00 +0200")
> The way to win people's heart is not by making them unhappy.
>
> "Welcome! To learn about Emacs, press F1 C-a or use the Help/About menu."
Good idea! Just one line gives all necessary information about how to get
more help. We can even make it more visible by highlighting it in bold red.
> Use an idle-timer to make sure that for the first 30 seconds of
> idleness, regardless how Emacs has been started, this message is not
> obscured for longer than 5 seconds (of course, unless the startup
> screen _is_ actually being displayed which would be the default for an
> Emacs started without command line options and not, say, loading a
> desktop
Yes, seeing the startup screen after loading a desktop instead of the
last saved file is the same annoyance as for starting Emacs with a file.
Furthermore, loading a desktop means that the user has already seen the
startup screen at least once on the previous session before saving the
desktop.
> or doing other startup operations ending in a dedicated buffer).
Like for instance,
emacs --eval '(info)'
when the user wants to use the Emacs Info reader instead of the standalone
Info reader, and sees the startup screen instead of the Info buffer.
The standalone Info reader does not do such bad things.
--
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/
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Thread overview: 295+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-09-09 13:56 New start up splash screen annoyance Sascha Wilde
2007-09-09 14:40 ` Leo
2007-09-09 17:32 ` Mathias Dahl
2007-09-09 20:07 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-09 21:20 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-09 23:52 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-10 16:53 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-10 17:00 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-10 18:19 ` Leo
2007-09-11 20:31 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-11 21:33 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-11 22:59 ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2007-09-10 17:28 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-11 20:31 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-11 20:57 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-12 2:48 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs (was: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Bill Wohler
2007-09-12 5:44 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs David Kastrup
2007-09-12 5:57 ` Bill Wohler
2007-09-12 7:06 ` dhruva
2007-09-12 7:55 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-13 9:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13 11:36 ` Michael Albinus
2007-09-13 8:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-12 7:17 ` Tramp (was: Folding emacsclient into emacs) Bill Wohler
2007-09-12 8:03 ` Tramp David Kastrup
2007-09-12 8:17 ` Tramp Michael Albinus
2007-09-12 20:20 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs Tom Tromey
2007-09-12 20:48 ` Leo
2007-09-13 6:10 ` Jan Djärv
2007-09-12 11:17 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs (was: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-12 11:25 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-12 11:37 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-12 15:08 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs Bill Wohler
2007-09-12 15:15 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-12 23:36 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-12 18:52 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs (was: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Richard Stallman
2007-09-12 19:08 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs David Kastrup
2007-09-13 7:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13 7:45 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-13 7:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13 7:59 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-13 8:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13 9:04 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-13 11:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-14 7:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-14 8:22 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-15 2:09 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-15 5:56 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-15 18:07 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-16 4:08 ` dhruva
2007-09-16 7:32 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-16 10:57 ` dhruva
2007-09-16 11:11 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-16 11:27 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-19 23:45 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-20 0:56 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20 1:24 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-20 8:50 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-20 10:12 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20 18:34 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-21 12:23 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-12 16:34 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs (was: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Davis Herring
2007-09-12 7:02 ` New start up splash screen annoyance Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-12 14:07 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-12 9:39 ` Johannes Weiner
2007-09-12 12:36 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-12 18:52 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-13 7:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13 8:21 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-09-13 8:24 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-09-13 8:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13 8:36 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-13 8:55 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-14 7:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-14 11:12 ` Mathias Dahl
2007-09-14 18:54 ` Romain Francoise
2007-09-13 23:43 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-14 6:13 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-14 18:43 ` Romain Francoise
2007-09-14 20:15 ` Bill Wohler
2007-09-14 21:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-14 21:38 ` Bill Wohler
2007-09-15 14:48 ` Michael Albinus
2007-09-15 21:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-16 5:34 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-14 7:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-15 2:09 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-15 8:04 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-15 8:18 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2007-09-16 5:33 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-16 7:25 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-17 0:20 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-17 5:55 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-17 22:24 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18 5:39 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18 9:30 ` Leo
2007-09-18 10:01 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18 15:00 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-18 15:34 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18 16:51 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-19 3:18 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-19 5:45 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20 16:33 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-19 13:52 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-19 14:10 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-19 16:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-09-18 20:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-18 22:17 ` Mathias Dahl
2007-09-18 19:34 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18 21:01 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18 22:08 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2007-09-19 15:49 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-19 23:46 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-20 0:24 ` Leo
2007-09-21 12:23 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-20 11:16 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-20 14:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-20 15:30 ` dhruva
2007-09-20 15:39 ` Davis Herring
2007-09-20 15:52 ` Bastien
2007-09-20 15:56 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20 15:49 ` Bastien
2007-09-21 16:21 ` Bastien
2007-09-21 17:42 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-21 18:01 ` Sean Sieger
2007-09-21 19:38 ` Bastien
2007-09-21 17:46 ` Davis Herring
2007-09-22 11:57 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-20 17:45 ` Manoj Srivastava
2007-09-20 18:35 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20 19:12 ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-09-20 19:19 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-20 20:13 ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-09-20 20:22 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-20 23:57 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-21 7:18 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-21 22:34 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-22 14:11 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 18:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-22 18:52 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-22 19:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-22 20:03 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 20:43 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-22 23:48 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-09-23 0:33 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-23 5:39 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-09-23 7:43 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 15:20 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-24 18:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-24 22:08 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 17:57 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-25 18:30 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 18:40 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 18:59 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 19:25 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 19:45 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 0:35 ` Kenichi Handa
2007-09-26 1:54 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-26 14:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-26 14:05 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-26 15:18 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 21:56 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-26 15:10 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 18:47 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-09-25 19:08 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 20:27 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 16:43 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-24 18:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 22:52 ` David Reitter
2007-09-24 18:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-24 18:37 ` Davis Herring
2007-09-24 21:14 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 17:58 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-25 18:33 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 18:38 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 19:37 ` David Reitter
2007-09-25 21:03 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 7:59 ` David Reitter
2007-09-26 14:59 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 16:03 ` David Reitter
2007-09-26 16:15 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 16:10 ` echo area clicks: *Messages* David Reitter
2007-09-26 16:49 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-24 20:40 ` New start up splash screen annoyance Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-25 17:57 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-25 18:18 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 5:01 ` Manoj Srivastava
2007-09-25 23:36 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 14:06 ` Didier Verna
2007-09-23 16:44 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-23 19:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-23 20:42 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-24 1:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-24 2:00 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-23 20:16 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-24 16:59 ` Davis Herring
2007-09-24 21:25 ` Didier Verna
2007-09-23 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 15:25 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 16:43 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-24 15:46 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-09-23 16:44 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-24 18:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-26 7:03 ` Didier Verna
2007-09-26 16:29 ` mode line [X] Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 13:46 ` New start up splash screen annoyance Didier Verna
2007-09-22 20:01 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 4:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-23 7:50 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 11:22 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 22:33 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-24 6:03 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-24 18:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 19:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-22 18:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-22 20:07 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 22:15 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 22:54 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 22:16 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 15:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 20:17 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-24 18:19 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 9:07 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-20 20:23 ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-09-20 19:28 ` Manoj Srivastava
2007-09-21 22:33 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-22 14:12 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 9:07 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 11:22 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 21:55 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 23:55 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-25 10:44 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-25 20:28 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-21 17:37 ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-22 11:57 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-19 14:59 ` Bill Wohler
2007-09-20 16:34 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18 8:15 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-09-16 9:27 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2007-09-17 22:03 ` Davis Herring
2007-09-17 22:43 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-18 5:25 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18 5:43 ` dhruva
2007-09-15 10:17 ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-15 10:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-15 18:55 ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-15 22:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-17 0:20 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18 21:20 ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-19 15:49 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-15 18:57 ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-16 4:41 ` tomas
2007-09-16 20:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-16 22:12 ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-17 4:04 ` tomas
2007-09-16 5:33 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-17 22:08 ` Davis Herring
2007-09-13 7:52 ` Sascha Wilde
2007-09-13 8:03 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-14 7:05 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-14 7:51 ` Jason Rumney
2007-09-14 8:19 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-10 16:53 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-10 19:09 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-10 22:07 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-10 23:10 ` Leo
2007-09-10 23:19 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-10 23:24 ` Leo
2007-09-12 0:40 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-14 8:11 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-09 21:27 ` Jason Rumney
2007-09-09 21:44 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-10 1:13 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-09 23:48 ` Juri Linkov
2007-10-03 20:18 ` KingBolete
2007-10-04 17:27 ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-08 4:16 ` tomas
2007-10-08 19:16 ` Juri Linkov
2007-10-09 20:03 ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-10 21:27 ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-10 22:36 ` Pure space overflow in Emacs 22 (was: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Sven Joachim
2007-11-10 22:43 ` Pure space overflow in Emacs 22 Juri Linkov
2007-10-09 1:14 ` New start up splash screen annoyance Richard Stallman
2007-10-09 6:39 ` tomas
2007-10-26 5:21 ` tomas
2007-09-09 23:54 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-10 2:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-10 5:19 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-11 20:30 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-10 23:55 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-11 0:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-11 5:47 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-12 8:45 ` Richard Stallman
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