From: Bastien <bzg@altern.org>
To: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: recenter-top-bottom
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:56:49 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8764082h9q.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DHEEKFAFJEFOJHLCFPFDCEEFCCAA.drew.adams@oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:56:28 -0800")
"Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
>> I often type C-l when to point is *near* the middle of the buffer, just
>> to slightly adjust the display.
>
> Just out of curiosity, why?
No specific reason, it just appears I took this habit. It's just a way
to tell myself: okay, now concentrate on what you read.
> Except for refreshing the display, why anyone would use `C-l' with point
> already at or near the center - and want it to stay there - is beyond me.
> But people are different.
Moving the point to the center when the point is *near* the center
sounds okay to me.
But moving the point from the center to the top when the point is *at*
the center *and* when the last command was not 'recenter-top-bottom is
awkward. Because it is very likely that I wasn't aware the point was
already at the center and that I just wanted to move it to the center.
You can call this "refreshing", but 80% of the times I'm really trying
to recenter (not refresh) when the point is already at the center.
Relying on people's ability to *know* that the point is at the center to
move it without surprise sounds a bit risky to me.
> You could of course still do the same thing, but you would need to hit
> `C-l' three times, not one. If you make such minor display adjustments
> with `C-l' frequently, then, yes, this is not optimal for you.
If point is at the center and the last command was 'recenter-top-bottom
then I think it's ok to move the point to the top. But maybe the first
call should reach the center, even if it's already at the center.
But sure, I could also use `recenter' instead.
> FWIW - I find remarkable the language some people are using. I'm
> impressed that anyone finds such a proposal "disturbing" or "an
> irritation" (and screams "PLEASE DON'T DO THIS!!!!" for setting
> `last-command' to an undefined command name). I'm truly amazed that
> this is so critical.
I guess this is because C-l is a fundamuntal command. Every little
change to it strikes the imagination quite easily. Hence people are
shouting, crying, etc. but everyone's trying to be helpful here, no?
Anyway, I hope I was.
--
Bastien
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-11-12 4:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-11-07 13:16 recenter-top-bottom Alan Mackenzie_JWA
2007-11-07 14:09 ` recenter-top-bottom Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-08 4:42 ` recenter-top-bottom Richard Stallman
2007-11-11 20:16 ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-11-11 21:47 ` recenter-top-bottom Juri Linkov
2007-11-11 22:38 ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-11-11 22:59 ` recenter-top-bottom Juri Linkov
2007-11-11 23:06 ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-11-12 0:12 ` recenter-top-bottom Bastien
2007-11-11 23:56 ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-11-12 4:56 ` Bastien [this message]
2007-11-12 8:33 ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-11-12 13:01 ` recenter-top-bottom Bastien
2007-11-12 13:06 ` recenter-top-bottom Bastien
2007-11-12 12:06 ` recenter-top-bottom Robert J. Chassell
2007-11-12 13:05 ` recenter-top-bottom Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-12 5:59 ` recenter-top-bottom Richard Stallman
2007-11-12 7:17 ` recenter-top-bottom Bastien
2007-11-12 8:34 ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-11-12 8:50 ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-11-12 13:15 ` recenter-top-bottom Bastien
2007-11-12 21:57 ` recenter-top-bottom Juri Linkov
2007-11-12 23:00 ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-11-13 13:35 ` recenter-top-bottom Bastien
2007-11-13 5:10 ` recenter-top-bottom Richard Stallman
2007-11-14 21:57 ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-11-14 22:07 ` recenter-top-bottom Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-14 22:51 ` recenter-top-bottom Bastien
2007-11-14 23:51 ` recenter-top-bottom Juri Linkov
2007-11-15 0:23 ` recenter-top-bottom Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-15 0:58 ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-11-15 8:36 ` recenter-top-bottom Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-15 13:07 ` recenter-top-bottom Richard Stallman
2007-11-15 15:16 ` recenter-top-bottom Stefan Monnier
2007-11-15 15:52 ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-11-16 4:29 ` recenter-top-bottom Richard Stallman
2007-11-16 18:51 ` recenter-top-bottom Stefan Monnier
2007-12-01 13:55 ` recenter-top-bottom Johan Bockgård
2007-12-01 14:28 ` recenter-top-bottom Leo
2007-12-01 15:48 ` recenter-top-bottom Eli Zaretskii
2007-12-01 18:33 ` recenter-top-bottom Leo
2007-12-01 21:07 ` recenter-top-bottom Eli Zaretskii
2007-12-01 23:41 ` recenter-top-bottom Richard Stallman
2007-12-01 16:22 ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-12-01 23:41 ` recenter-top-bottom Richard Stallman
2007-12-02 0:48 ` scroll-conservatively default (was: Re: recenter-top-bottom) Dan Nicolaescu
2007-12-02 1:21 ` scroll-conservatively default Johan Bockgård
2007-12-02 3:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-12-02 4:52 ` Drew Adams
2007-12-03 21:20 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-12-04 4:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-12-04 7:25 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-12-04 21:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-12-05 4:29 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-12-05 2:57 ` Richard Stallman
2007-12-05 4:32 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-12-04 9:28 ` Leo
2007-12-04 21:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-12-06 7:49 ` Miles Bader
2007-12-06 11:10 ` David Kastrup
2007-12-06 11:36 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-12-06 21:43 ` Richard Stallman
2007-12-07 9:46 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-12-06 21:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-12-06 22:13 ` David Kastrup
2007-12-07 3:01 ` Miles Bader
2007-12-02 0:47 ` recenter-top-bottom Johan Bockgård
2007-12-02 4:53 ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
[not found] <OF7E920891.667E3D64-ONC125738C.0058D24D-C125738C.00587C7B@philips.com>
2007-11-07 17:24 ` recenter-top-bottom Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-07 20:44 ` recenter-top-bottom Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-07 21:54 ` recenter-top-bottom Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-08 17:39 ` recenter-top-bottom Richard Stallman
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-11-06 16:53 recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-11-06 17:02 ` recenter-top-bottom Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-07 7:55 ` recenter-top-bottom Richard Stallman
2007-11-07 9:25 ` recenter-top-bottom Tassilo Horn
2007-11-08 0:41 ` recenter-top-bottom Juri Linkov
2007-11-11 8:27 ` recenter-top-bottom Alan Mackenzie
2007-11-11 23:54 ` recenter-top-bottom Richard Stallman
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