From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: position on changing defaults? Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 23:51:03 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <8763vv654o.fsf@jurta.org> References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803052230.m25MUORx001881@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803070407.m27471TG016558@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87hcfg4u7p.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <200803090036.m290a4oW020277@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205100992 17192 80.91.229.12 (9 Mar 2008 22:16:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:16:32 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 09 23:17:00 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JYTpC-0000zU-51 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 23:16:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JYToe-00033E-09 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:16:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JYTnT-0002In-Uv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:15:12 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JYTnS-0002HH-Gf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:15:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JYTnS-0002H0-1w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:15:10 -0400 Original-Received: from relay02.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.197]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JYTnR-0008HM-RF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:15:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay02.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JYTnH-000GdB-Ri for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:15:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: <200803090036.m290a4oW020277@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:36:04 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-Scanner-Signature: ba97961d419726f65b83e74233c16638 X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Not Detected X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 2374 [Mar 9 2008] X-SpamTest-Info: helo_type=3 X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: none X-SpamTest-Rate: 11 X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: not_detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0255], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 6.x (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91931 Archived-At: > I don't buy that "power user" argument. It is not dissimilar to the UI > that you get nowadays when typing a URL in a browser. Users seem to do > just fine with that. Maybe it's time to reconsider what a user knows > and does not know nowadays. When you type a URL in a browser, you get a pull-down list of matches. In Emacs, an analogy to this is displaying the *Completions* buffer. I'm sure Drew will say how Icicles is superior to this. Yes, it is powerful, but like suggested packages radically changes the default behavior that most Emacs users are accustomed to. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/