From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Visual line movement inconsistency Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:59:35 +0900 Message-ID: <8763pjkgtk.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <874p55z20j.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <87prnsmywh.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87vdxkghaw.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1220021939 22359 80.91.229.12 (29 Aug 2008 14:58:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 29 16:59:53 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KZ5Rw-0001dW-Pb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:59:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55331 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KZ5Qy-0005GS-BU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:58:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KZ5Qt-0005Fc-04 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:58:39 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KZ5Qq-0005DS-S7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:58:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56002 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KZ5Qq-0005DC-Fk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:58:36 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp11.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.73]:38895) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KZ5Ql-0005wv-T1; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:58:32 -0400 Original-Received: from 218.231.177.116.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.177.116] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp11.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1KZ5Qg-0005qO-U3; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:58:26 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C5C2BDF74; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:59:35 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <87vdxkghaw.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> (Kim F. Storm's message of "Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:02:47 +0200") Original-Lines: 22 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:103179 Archived-At: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes: >> I agree that it can be confusing, but I think it's much more dangerous >> to change the default behavior of C-a/C-e, because people depend a lot >> more on their precise behavior (whereas C-n/C-p are more often used in >> conjunction with visual feedback). > > I mostly agree, but then it is all the more important that the fringe > indicators are used to show that lines are word wrapped (i.e. continued). They do (using the normal "wrap" indicators)... Of course if you have `visual-line-mode' turned on as well, then the wrap indicators are suppressed -- but then C-a/C-e also operate on screen lines rather than logical lines. So far it all seems pretty reasonable to me. -Miles -- Future, n. That period of time in which our affairs prosper, our friends are true and our happiness is assured.