From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 23:27:55 +0900 Message-ID: <8763g28mqc.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <4A0C402C.7060804@slugfest.demon.co.uk> <20090514181712.GA2413@muc.de> <7C757F28-A6B2-48FB-A8AC-CF2E1728FA68@gmail.com> <87bppug6gc.fsf@escher.local.home> <877i0ifnvp.fsf@escher.local.home> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1242397709 24899 80.91.229.12 (15 May 2009 14:28:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:28:29 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 15 16:28:22 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M4yOc-0005uX-FH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 16:28:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45336 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M4yOb-0003iC-U0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 10:28:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M4yOW-0003fI-Bt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 10:28:16 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M4yOR-0003aM-N8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 10:28:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35402 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M4yOR-0003aD-KP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 10:28:11 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:47056 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M4yOR-0002MC-8s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 10:28:11 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1M4yOM-0001e7-CJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 May 2009 14:28:06 +0000 Original-Received: from 218.231.109.29.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.109.29]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 15 May 2009 14:28:06 +0000 Original-Received: from miles by 218.231.109.29.eo.eaccess.ne.jp with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 15 May 2009 14:28:06 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 16 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 218.231.109.29.eo.eaccess.ne.jp System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZKXLF2/LELFzF+w7kIzvQurjm0k= X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:110893 Archived-At: Stephen Berman writes: >>> expletive subject: "It should be avoided to ...". FWIW Google >> >> To my ear, "avoid to" is clearly incorrect (and I think my ear is pretty >> good). > > I agree with you (I'm a native speaker of American English) about "avoid > to", i.e. in the active voice (and with an animate subject), but do you > think the construction I referred to is just as "clearly incorrect" Yes -Miles -- Patience, n. A minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue.