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From: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>
To: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Infrastructural complexity.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:38:57 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8763dlmr82.fsf@mail.jurta.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A6439FE.8000204@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:33:50 +0200")

>> Yes, I meant to save window configurations across sessions in
>> ~/.emacs.desktop.  There are corresponding tasks in etc/TODO:
>>
>> ** Make desktop.el save the "frame configuration" of Emacs (in some
>>   useful sense).
>
> Did anyone ever specify what the "useful sense" of saving a frame
> configuration is?

I guess "useful" means an ability to restore a frame configuration
to the state that was before saving.

>> ** Give desktop.el a feature to switch between different named
>>   desktops.
>
> I don't use desktop so I suppose this means to let the user choose (at
> the beginning of a session) among different saved desktops.  Does
> this have any peculiar relevance for window configurations (as soon as
> it has been resolved in a more general sense)?

I misread this task as "a feature to switch between different named
frame configurations" that makes sense for the current discussion.

>> ECB layout definitions are powerful but rely on `defadvice' and
>> IMO they are over-complicated.
>
> Removing the defadvice dependency is a goal of the window groups
> concepts.  In what sense are ECB layouts over-complicated?

ECB layouts are too specific to the code browser and can't be used
stand-alone that would be a useful feature.  But there are many good
ideas in ECB.  It uses procedural definitions for layouts like:

(ecb-layout-define "left1" left
  (ecb-set-directories-buffer)
  (ecb-split-ver 0.3)
  (ecb-set-sources-buffer)
  (ecb-split-ver 0.5)
  (ecb-set-methods-buffer)
  (select-window (previous-window))
  (ecb-split-hor 0.5)
  (ecb-set-history-buffer)
  (select-window (next-window (next-window))))

Such procedural definitions insure that created and restored
window trees will be the same.  Maybe desktop.el should try
saving window trees with similar procedural structures where
content of each restored window will be filled with either
a file or the result of `desktop-buffer-mode-handlers'.
I mean replacing `ecb-set-directories-buffer', `ecb-set-sources-buffer',
`ecb-set-methods-buffer' in the example above with a single call
to `desktop-create-buffer'.

-- 
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/




  reply	other threads:[~2009-07-22  0:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 288+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-12 14:41 Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!! Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 16:39 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-12 18:06   ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 18:30     ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-07-12 21:39       ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 22:22         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13  7:36           ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-13  7:50             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  0:18       ` Add file-locals and dir-locals (was: Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!!) Juri Linkov
2009-07-17  7:57         ` Add file-locals and dir-locals martin rudalics
2009-07-17  9:43           ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-18 13:48             ` martin rudalics
2009-07-18 21:54               ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 10:38                 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-19 18:12                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-20 12:30                     ` Leo
2009-07-22  0:21                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-22  3:49                         ` Leo
2009-08-04 23:59                           ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-05  1:57                             ` Leo
2009-08-05 21:52                               ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-05 23:14                                 ` Leo
2009-08-06 20:36                                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-07  1:18                                     ` Leo
2009-08-08  8:18                             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-08 11:28                               ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-08 19:31                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-08 20:43                                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-08 21:26                                     ` Leo
2009-08-08 21:45                                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-08 21:58                                         ` Drew Adams
2009-08-09  3:15                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-09  8:29                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-09  1:21                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-17 15:48         ` David Kastrup
2009-07-17 23:06           ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-12 18:37     ` Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!! Chong Yidong
2009-07-12 21:21       ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 21:33         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-12 21:45           ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 21:48             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13  3:23               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-13  3:51                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13  5:07             ` tomas
2009-07-13  3:23         ` Giorgos Keramidas
2009-07-13  7:16           ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-13  4:24         ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-13  4:37           ` Miles Bader
2009-07-13  6:22             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-13  8:19               ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-13  8:45                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-13 13:13                   ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-13 15:05                     ` Miles Bader
2009-07-13  9:18                 ` Ken Raeburn
2009-07-13 10:47                   ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-13 11:42                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-13 15:11                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13  8:25             ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-13  8:48               ` Miles Bader
2009-07-13  9:25                 ` Chad Brown
2009-07-13 20:03                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-13 21:15                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-14  0:44                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16  0:30                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 13:53                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16 20:48                           ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 21:11                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  3:01                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-17  9:42                               ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-18 21:55                                 ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-13  9:26               ` Ken Raeburn
2009-07-13  2:08       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-07-13  5:09       ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-13  8:41         ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-14 16:22         ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-14 18:26           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-14 20:11           ` Patch: " Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-15  7:55             ` Jan Djärv
2009-07-15 19:00               ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-15 20:20                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-15 20:49                 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-18 12:51               ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-20  9:40                 ` Jan Djärv
2009-07-20 19:43                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-20 21:20                     ` Jan Djärv
2009-07-14  0:32       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-14  6:04         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-14  6:58         ` Jan Djärv
2009-07-14 14:05           ` Davis Herring
2009-07-14 15:13             ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-14 15:45               ` Davis Herring
2009-07-14 19:47                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-16  0:31                 ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 16:43                   ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 18:38                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16 18:47                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 20:59                         ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 21:19                           ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 21:29                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:00                               ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 20:09                       ` Infrastructural complexity. [Was: Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!!] Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-16 20:36                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 20:57                         ` Infrastructural complexity Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 21:28                           ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-16 21:33                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:00                               ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 22:14                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:25                                   ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 22:30                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:38                                       ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 22:43                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:49                                   ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-16 22:54                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 23:44                                       ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17  0:30                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  1:18                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17  1:29                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  2:21                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17  2:24                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  2:44                                                   ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17  2:47                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17 17:41                                                       ` joakim
2009-07-17 18:46                                                         ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-17 20:13                                                           ` joakim
2009-07-17 23:02                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17 23:49                                                             ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-18  0:29                                                               ` joakim
2009-07-20  2:38                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  4:59                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20  7:31                                                                   ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-18  0:05                                                             ` joakim
2009-07-18  0:21                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-18  0:36                                                                 ` Leo
2009-07-18 22:06                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 13:21                                                                     ` Leo
2009-07-19 15:10                                                                       ` Miles Bader
2009-07-19 20:05                                                                       ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-18  8:18                                                                 ` joakim
2009-07-18 17:11                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-18 22:05                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19  0:07                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19 18:23                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 20:18                                                                       ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 20:57                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 22:27                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  0:00                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2009-07-19 21:56                                                                         ` Mathias Dahl
2009-07-19 22:21                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 23:54                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2009-07-20  0:18                                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 23:58                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20  0:50                                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 23:34                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-07-19 21:34                                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19  4:37                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-19  1:14                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19  1:48                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19  4:01                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  5:45                                                                       ` 16 (Re: Infrastructural complexity.) Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  6:23                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  9:09                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  6:47                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20  7:28                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  7:34                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20  7:38                                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 10:38                                                                   ` Infrastructural complexity martin rudalics
2009-07-19 11:12                                                                     ` joakim
2009-07-19 15:08                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20  9:32                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-20 14:18                                                                         ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20 15:32                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-20 16:00                                                                             ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-20 16:30                                                                             ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20 19:02                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-20 22:08                                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20 22:45                                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20 23:00                                                                                   ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-21  9:39                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-21 10:28                                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2009-07-21 13:26                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-21 16:13                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-21 17:17                                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-21 17:25                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 14:34                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-22 14:59                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 18:25                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-23  9:26                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-23 15:12                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-23 15:24                                                                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-23 17:40                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-23 18:56                                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-23 19:13                                                                                                           ` joakim
2009-07-23 20:49                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-24  8:29                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-25  4:55                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-25  8:54                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-25 14:48                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-25 17:11                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-26 14:15                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-26 15:13                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-21 17:06                                                                                       ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 10:12                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 15:32                                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 17:07                                                                                             ` Mathias Dahl
2009-07-21 16:59                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-21 17:25                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-21 18:15                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 10:12                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 16:28                                                                                             ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 18:23                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 19:04                                                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-23  9:24                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-23 18:51                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-23 19:17                                                                                                       ` joakim
2009-07-23 19:49                                                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-23 20:35                                                                                                           ` joakim
2009-07-24  1:08                                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-24  1:20                                                                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-24  8:28                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 11:21                                                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-24 12:10                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 14:20                                                                                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-24 14:55                                                                                                                   ` AW: " klaus.berndl
2009-07-24 16:09                                                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 18:37                                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-25  4:16                                                                                                                       ` AW: " klaus.berndl
2009-07-25  8:06                                                                                                                         ` Miles Bader
2009-07-25 21:13                                                                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-24 16:08                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 16:16                                                                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-24 17:13                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-25  1:27                                                                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-25  8:53                                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24  8:28                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 18:31                                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-25  8:52                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-25 14:50                                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-25 17:12                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-26 14:19                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-26 15:14                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-26 17:18                                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-26 17:45                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-26 18:34                                                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-27  6:40                                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
     [not found]                                                                                                                             ` <1248710762.6165.28.camel@dell-desktop.example.co! ! m>
2009-07-27 16:06                                                                                                                             ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-27 16:53                                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 17:40                                                                                                                                 ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                                                                                                                                   ` <4A6DEC6! 4.10001@gmx.at>
     [not found]                                                                                                                                     ` <D86752FEC8404739B257327FE0FE8FE6@us.orac! ! le.com>
     [not found]                                                                                                                                   ` <4A6DEC6!4.10001@gmx.at>
2009-07-27 18:05                                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 18:40                                                                                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2009-07-28  7:39                                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-28 15:21                                                                                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2009-07-29  9:06                                                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 18:05                                                                                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-28  7:38                                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-28 15:18                                                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-29  9:06                                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-29 19:22                                                                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-30  9:07                                                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-30 17:01                                                                                                                                             ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-31  9:08                                                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-31 16:19                                                                                                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-31 16:58                                                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-31 17:53                                                                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 19:05                                                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-23  9:24                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-18 13:49                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-16 21:48                             ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-18 13:48                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-18 21:57                                 ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19  0:09                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19  5:00                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-19 10:38                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-19 13:06                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19 18:31                                     ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 21:36                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19 23:11                                         ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 23:52                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20  9:32                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-20 14:22                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20 18:29                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-19 23:14                                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-20  9:33                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22  0:38                                         ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2009-07-22  2:24                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-22 10:12                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 14:36                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-14 18:21           ` Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!! Stefan Monnier
2009-07-13  0:02     ` Miles Bader

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