From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Harry Putnam Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: conditionals in elisp Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:33:10 -0500 Organization: Still searching... Message-ID: <8763a1o0yx.fsf@newsguy.com> References: <87iqe1og0i.fsf@newsguy.com> <14A45A8A6D3A42A7ADA56DE8DB68C74E@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1256621675 24132 80.91.229.12 (27 Oct 2009 05:34:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:34:35 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 27 06:34:28 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1N2ehP-0001XJ-FG for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:34:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38835 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N2ehO-0003d6-Ix for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:34:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N2egf-0003br-N9 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:33:41 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N2ega-0003XS-1K for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:33:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45197 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N2egZ-0003XN-N8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:33:35 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:57639) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N2egZ-0002b2-6H for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:33:35 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1N2egX-0001BH-Dh for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:33:33 +0100 Original-Received: from c-98-215-178-110.hsd1.in.comcast.net ([98.215.178.110]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:33:33 +0100 Original-Received: from reader by c-98-215-178-110.hsd1.in.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:33:33 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 57 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-98-215-178-110.hsd1.in.comcast.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:N5fTzxHRm6PQ32PDuHHjx82UE2I= X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:69265 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: > 3. There is no substitute for this. No matter how much people here try to "help" > you, you will waste your _own_ time if you don't learn how to _ask Emacs_. And > sooner or later, people here will tire of answering, if they see you making zero > effort. > Here's how hard it is: > > 1. `C-h i' > 2. Click the link to the `Elisp' manual. > 3. `i', then `if', then Enter. > 4. Read one page of doc about `Conditionals'. > > Can you handle that? Drew, not to be a smartmouth here but do you really know for sure that what you say is the absolute best way for me to learn reall is? Are you really so sure I don't know myself better than you do? I can say for certain that after just half a page under 10.2 Conditionals and my head is spinning. The stuff there does not match up to what little programming I've learned of perl shell etc. Or if it does... I'm not seeing it yet. You have no idea, really of how slow and painful the little computer literacy I've acquired has come. You think I haven't looked here before... your wrong. I've tried to follow a few things in that manual for yrs. I know it looks and sounds like gibberish to me after just a little reading. That hasn't stopped me from doing lots of work with emacs over the last 10-12 yrs. At least work at my level.. I'm talking hobby level. I've never aimed at employment or the like... I made my living with my hands... and now retired.. I must have some kind of learning problem or such and a pretty deep seated one too ... but at my age I do know something about how learning works for me. I'm not going anywhere reading the manual with out some simple examples I can look at and see how they work. I don't really care to go on making an argument... and I appreciate you taking time to try to help.. as you have with me and others many many times before. Examples work best for me, I tried to explain that in OP. The fact that you think that manual page should do it for me, does not make it so. Thanks for your time. That will be the end of my comments on this. I have yet to go through all the other suggestions. Many thanks for the input posters...