From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: AW: Fwd: CEDET sync Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 00:23:33 +0900 Message-ID: <87635eycga.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <86bpf7q3fc.wl%lluis@ginnungagap.pc.ac.upc.edu> <87wrxvyijr.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4B8C42E2.3080308@siege-engine.com> <7697A57B1AD9104F993CDF6A5B69430C09227D1F24@CORPMAIL08.corp.capgemini.com> <878wabxg0x.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87mxyrhxq8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1267542788 27003 80.91.229.12 (2 Mar 2010 15:13:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 15:13:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 02 16:13:04 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NmTm8-0005eH-0Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:12:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35637 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NmTm5-0005wR-Bp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:12:41 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NmTlz-0005vp-EH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:12:35 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=45882 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NmTly-0005vK-Ll for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:12:35 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NmTlw-0003oj-NZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:12:34 -0500 Original-Received: from mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:55004) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NmTls-0003nm-Om; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:12:28 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36878213; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 00:12:25 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7FF7D120772; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 00:23:33 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87mxyrhxq8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" a03421eb562b XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121541 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > Worms may wriggle, too. The question is whether there is a central > agency moving forward. Of course *we* have a central agency moving forward. It's called "Emacs", and it has bright red taillights we can follow through the fog. It's *you* guys who have to *worry* about being a pack of wriggling worms, not us.[1] Worse, your development is constrained by political considerations that have saddled you with a 1990s bug tracker and a VCS that gives 1980s performance while satisfying the requirement to support 1970s workflows. Not to mention massive internal obstacles to benefitting from work done by anybody who doesn't actively pledge allegiance to Emacs. :-( I really don't think you should kid yourselves about how thriving Emacs is. On the other hand, I don't think there's anything inherently fatal in being an uncoordinated pack of hackers. Footnotes: [1] Of course we are a pack of wriggling worms just as you are, and just as every FLOSS project that has grown beyond the single hacker scale is. The difference is that being #2 means we have an obvious direction for progress.