From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:50:42 +0200 Message-ID: <876306140d.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com> <87sk3oe3la.fsf@telefonica.net> <1154D96E7D2F401D849266F359E44BB9@us.oracle.com> <87ocecdzou.fsf@telefonica.net> <2256C17F740A425884AD551DE7758056@us.oracle.com> <87fwzodqqm.fsf@telefonica.net> <5138CDF30B2D4B778F948015614DA7BC@us.oracle.com> <87iq4ijtdy.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <270AD461F0F14E549F82D88785A23A0A@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279907832 25025 80.91.229.12 (23 Jul 2010 17:57:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:57:12 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 23 19:57:10 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcMT0-0003YJ-SZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:57:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40868 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OcMRc-0002qx-Qt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:54:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=57411 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OcMPe-0001zD-RV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:53:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcMOc-0006Qd-Kn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:50:55 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:45216) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcMOc-0006QG-FQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:50:54 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcMOa-0004fs-Sz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:50:52 +0200 Original-Received: from 83.42.13.171 ([83.42.13.171]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:50:52 +0200 Original-Received: from ofv by 83.42.13.171 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:50:52 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 39 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 83.42.13.171 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:N8kcc/JxiF7CBSKrb5BcBmk1jSs= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127714 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: > We've seen no _evidence_ about a supposed dearth of newbies coming to > Emacs, in spite of repeated _claims_. No Emacs-is-dying problem has > been shown, so far. Of course it is very hard to show statistics for newbies. OTOH, absence of proof does not indicate that the fact does not exists. Let's turn to a source from where to get hard numbers then. This is a list of number of committers per year, based on the changelogs: 2010 91 2009 132 2008 155 2007 147 2006 134 2005 151 2004 117 2003 127 2002 107 2001 60 2000 61 1999 86 1998 93 1997 134 1996 68 1995 70 1994 74 1993 38 1992 9 1991 14 1990 15 My very personal interpretation of that series is that Emacs development is not growing with its potential user base. [snip]