From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: right-char and left-char Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 18:04:55 -0400 Message-ID: <8762k1ojy0.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <87k48it6g3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83pqiagew4.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1317938719 12668 80.91.229.12 (6 Oct 2011 22:05:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 22:05:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 07 00:05:11 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBw3y-0000Iv-Fp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 00:05:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32990 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBw3s-00006w-H4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 18:05:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:46309) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBw3p-0008R0-5j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 18:05:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBw3n-0001FL-U3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 18:05:01 -0400 Original-Received: from vm-emlprdomr-02.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.143]:60776) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBw3m-0001EN-B3; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 18:04:58 -0400 Original-Received: from furball (dhcp-128-36-14-81.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.81]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-02.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p96M4uDe023612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 6 Oct 2011 18:04:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83pqiagew4.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 06 Oct 2011 20:21:15 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.90 (gnu/linux) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.143 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 130.132.50.143 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144650 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > The intended behavior is what you see now in Emacs. The manual is > correct for the important special case of the paragraph direction that > coincides with the text direction. Most L2R text in the world is in > L2R paragraphs and most R2L text is in R2L paragraphs, so the > description covers most of the use cases. > > As for the less common use case you mention, yes, the description in > the manual could mislead if read too literally; "text is read > left-to-right" is intentionally vague to at least not be blatantly > wrong. This lands us in the unfortunate situation where a command named `left-char' sometimes moves right, and a command named `right-char' sometimes moves left. Their names seem to imply that what distinguishes these commands from `forward-char'/`backward-char' is their directionality.