From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GnuTLS for W32 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 10:23:59 +0900 Message-ID: <8762go485s.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87vcosskhc.fsf@wanadoo.es> <831urgr2yr.fsf@gnu.org> <87r4zgsh2w.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ipks3zbo.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87boqk3q69.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87aa634st8.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fwfvsgfv.fsf@wanadoo.es> <877h17scdo.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87hb0b77nr.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8739bvs27m.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ty4b4329.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87hb0b3yoe.fsf@lifelogs.com> <6ED011D5-E185-44C6-BB31-A445A4E5F83A@gmail.com> <87wr976otx.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ipkq6yy5.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325899463 16728 80.91.229.12 (7 Jan 2012 01:24:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 01:24:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juanma Barranquero Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 07 02:24:17 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RjL12-0001b7-U6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 02:24:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54397 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RjL12-0007jp-Cw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:24:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:56419) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RjL0z-0007jZ-OB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:24:10 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RjL0y-0001b9-CO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:24:09 -0500 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:53840) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RjL0x-0001al-Vi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:24:08 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12EE7970633; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 10:24:00 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 07FA41A2FD1; Sat, 7 Jan 2012 10:24:00 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta31) "ginger" 2dbefd79b3d3 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147422 Archived-At: Juanma Barranquero writes: > 2012/1/5 Ted Zlatanov : >=20 > > You're right. =C2=A0Do you agree with the general idea of checking for > > critical updates on startup, though? >=20 > FWIW, I don't. That is a step (tiny, I know) in the "software as a > service" direction. No, it's not. Providing software *as* a service is a different issue from providing software *with* a service. There is an issue of "ET phoning home" here, which is not an easy one for free software (at least as I understand Richard's positions on these things). But please don't call it "software as a service," which is a business model based on decreasing the range of choices and information available to the user; Ted is suggesting increasing both, while decreasing certain costs to some users at relatively low (but not insignificant!) cost to the Emacs project.