From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Apologia for bzr Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 11:56:51 -0600 Message-ID: <8761q1x82k.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> References: <87fvp6bdd9.fsf_-_@ktab.red-bean.com> <83wqiixqbb.fsf@gnu.org> <20140102172804.GB13245@thyrsus.com> <83vby2xo6x.fsf@gnu.org> <20140102183432.GB13506@thyrsus.com> <83sit6xgfg.fsf@gnu.org> <8761q18kni.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.org> <838uuxxsxu.fsf@gnu.org> <20140103174534.GC17261@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: Karl Fogel NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388771841 27919 80.91.229.3 (3 Jan 2014 17:57:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:57:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Tassilo Horn , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Eric S. Raymond" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 03 18:57:28 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz8zw-0000Gh-BY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 18:57:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51088 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz8zv-0002gJ-Uo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 12:57:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36400) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz8zm-0002fs-JS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 12:57:24 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz8zg-0008Az-BU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 12:57:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ie0-x234.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c03::234]:61706) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vz8zO-000800-E0; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 12:56:54 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ie0-f180.google.com with SMTP id tp5so16207075ieb.39 for ; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 09:56:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:reply-to:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=YymllV1yesbYNmXQ7G2tns5r97mCyoUog2h5LSJOhoo=; b=hg7avQTolQvNZQKrAoKIEnwoJpOkXC77xjZmoaAD1MWo7YX3uuWI6sgzsKwQXOd4q0 p3pzd96mQWzgcnysQ0BJpflJr7N0zbSus7wttFzQuzUk37Vr9VYTUeZsR3OP5sGHe78/ 1RDGTkWQDvR+hSichmEoGweLiDyu3n5r2Up9T/lWSk+noQujNgTln2IbRYGZVVG2G80I 3dNwcUCWiPU575kSN4n6MiLw6SJll2UtROeLgYLHWMWjVSZwgqUluTcyH31dZHftvKfW jLHQ6YPb8tl4NKl8mT/2o/W6LgcnORN7nC2OMx9e73hoflpQ0giABtD+aDHXgZCKbw/z xdFA== X-Received: by 10.42.18.68 with SMTP id w4mr51867919ica.22.1388771813598; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 09:56:53 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from ktab.red-bean.com (74-92-190-113-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [74.92.190.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ft2sm2818870igb.5.2014.01.03.09.56.52 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Jan 2014 09:56:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20140103174534.GC17261@thyrsus.com> (Eric S. Raymond's message of "Fri, 3 Jan 2014 12:45:34 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167202 Archived-At: "Eric S. Raymond" writes: >There are other things we need to do to let sunlight and fresh air into the >room. The people who think of Emacs as a relic of bygone decades inhabited >by graying neckbeards are not, alas, entirely wrong. And I say that as >arguably one of the neckbeards myself... Right now, two of the biggest sources of hacking energy in the Emacsosphere are in git repositories separate from Emacs' own bzr repository: Org Mode and Gnus. Our switching to git will help reduce at least the degree of separation. Whether those projects eventually host their "socially agreed on" primary development branches in Emacs' repository is another question; I don't know those dev communities well enough to say, despite being a heavy user of both packages :-). But the mere fact that I instinctively consider them to be somewhat separate developer communities from Emacs itself may be partly an artifact of our having been on bzr for so long. -K