From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: indirect-buffers and text-properties Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:13:11 +0000 Message-ID: <8761p1r214.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> References: <87fvo5r6uk.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1391091218 26636 80.91.229.3 (30 Jan 2014 14:13:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:13:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 30 15:13:45 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W8sNB-0001g3-LR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 15:13:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50065 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W8sNB-00089C-5K for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 09:13:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53562) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W8sMp-00081x-Vv for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 09:13:24 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W8sMk-00008p-3K for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 09:13:19 -0500 Original-Received: from cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.234.22]:36495) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W8sMj-00008g-Td for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 09:13:14 -0500 Original-Received: from smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk ([10.8.233.129]) by cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1W8sMj-00053i-DS; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:13:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost (jangai.ncl.ac.uk [10.66.67.223]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s0UEDCpN012305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:13:12 GMT In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 30 Jan 2014 08:27:11 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 128.240.234.22 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:95803 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> So, question, anyone know why the text-properties get shared with >> indirect-buffers and is it possible to stop? > > To change that, you'd have to change the underlying C code. > Probably a non-trivial change. That was my impression. Ah, well, unfortunate. > My recommendation: stay away from indirect-buffers. > They are an attractive-nuisance. Really? I've started using them because they enable me to have the point in two places at once; for example, in the pre-amble and the body of a latex documented. Of course, you can do this with two windows, but this is too sensitive to window configuration; if you remove one of the windows, then you lose the position of point (in favour of the still visible window). Indirect buffers seem to be a nice solution for this. Even as it stands, having the same content in two different modes seems very powerful; instead of using one of the various multi-mode options, I was thinking of having a single document in two side-by-side windows, one for changing the code (in one mode) and one for changing the comments (in another). Phil