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From: Udyant Wig <udyantw@gmail.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: emacs stackexchange beta site
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 12:28:37 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8761gibwwy.fsf@panda.goosenet.in> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 877g0zcufb.fsf@debian.uxu

Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:

| I have already said some of the reasons. Pascal said
| some of the same things slightly differently, and added
| some more. In principle, I agree with what he said,
| though in practice I don't really mind Google spying on
| me.

 Why do you not mind Google spying on you?

 I ask because most of my reading on various fora had very vocal
 participants making known their outrage in no uncertain terms.  So, I
 would much appreciate a different view on this.
 
| But OK:
| 
| <snip comparison between general/mass tools and specific/expert tools>
:
| What I don't like with SX:
| 
| <snip displeasure at enforced goodness on SX>

 I assume they want participants to be nice and civil even while
 discussing matters technical.  Isn't that what moderation is all about?
 
| <snip displeasure at the distractiveness of the Web interfaces>

 I do not see the movement toward a GUI future abating.  Non-GUI fora
 like Usenet will perpetually be the shade under the trees by the road
 in that future.
 
| <snip displeasure at lack of discursive participation>

 I take it that "extended discussions" are "not constructive" and hence
 get "closed".
 
| But: discussion you should take part in, it is an
| interaction between people (the famous distributed
| peer-to-peer review of the FOSS world), or, if you are
| a lurker, follow step by step. So this is why I give
| the SX a half point - in the Google problem-solving
| world, you don't want to wade through never-ending
| Usenet threads: you just want an answer. So Google and
| SX is a good match and I won't pretend I wasn't helped
| numerous times.

 I wrote in comp.lang.c recently that I used to spend some time every
 now and then going through the archives of Usenet with Google's old
 interface.  It had been a fascinating experience every time.  But with
 the upgrade to the new JS-heavy interface, such exploration is hindered
 by its ease of use.
 
| While it is true that Google reduces the attention span
| in time and in space, and it by itself cannot offer
| deep understanding, sometimes you are just stuck on a
| detail and that isn't even in your big-hefted book you
| just read. Here is where Google can help you, so you
| don't get stuck and can move on to bigger and better
| things.

 I have done this myself, always making a note to read up on the point
 later.
 
| <snip postulation of tool with better interface doing Google's job>
| 
| <snip displeasure at the reputation system>

 Such a system or its variants are in widespread use on many fora,
 e.g. on Reddit, where the voting system tends to push popular answers
 to the top of a thread, but which may or may not be sound or valid.

-- 
Udyant Wig
GitHub:    https://github.com/udyant
Poetry:    http://www.writing.com/main/profile/biography/frosthrone


  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-20  6:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.9059.1410993440.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-09-17 23:26 ` emacs stackexchange beta site Emanuel Berg
2014-09-18  2:06   ` Drew Adams
     [not found]   ` <mailman.9072.1411006041.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-09-18 21:03     ` Emanuel Berg
2014-09-18 23:47       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-09-19 13:34         ` Tom
2014-09-19 14:53           ` Drew Adams
     [not found]           ` <mailman.9197.1411138427.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-09-19 19:13             ` Emanuel Berg
2014-09-19 19:58               ` Drew Adams
     [not found]               ` <mailman.9231.1411156757.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-09-19 20:24                 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-09-19 20:44                   ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.9235.1411159521.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-09-19 21:01                     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]         ` <mailman.9194.1411136428.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-09-19 19:06           ` Emanuel Berg
2014-09-19 19:55             ` Drew Adams
     [not found]             ` <mailman.9230.1411156541.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-09-19 20:12               ` Emanuel Berg
2014-09-19  6:13       ` Udyant Wig
2014-09-19 17:57         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
     [not found]         ` <mailman.9215.1411149649.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-09-19 18:53           ` Udyant Wig
2014-09-19 19:18             ` Emanuel Berg
2014-09-19 19:22             ` Emanuel Berg
2014-09-19 23:46             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2014-09-20  1:24             ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]             ` <mailman.9241.1411170621.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-09-20  6:14               ` Udyant Wig
2014-09-20 14:47                 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-09-21 10:09                   ` Udyant Wig
2014-09-21 15:52                     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]             ` <mailman.9244.1411176300.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-09-20  6:17               ` Udyant Wig
2014-09-19 18:58           ` Emanuel Berg
2014-09-19 18:54         ` Emanuel Berg
2014-09-20  6:58           ` Udyant Wig [this message]
2014-09-20 15:02             ` Emanuel Berg
2014-09-21 10:04               ` Udyant Wig
2014-09-21 15:49                 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-09-22  5:10                   ` Udyant Wig
2014-09-22 22:44                     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]       ` <mailman.9168.1411115739.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-09-19 19:01         ` Emanuel Berg
2014-09-17 22:36 Ian Kelling
2014-10-11 13:33 ` Bastien
     [not found] ` <mailman.10973.1413034461.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-10-17  0:04   ` Emanuel Berg
2014-10-17  0:16     ` Emanuel Berg
2014-10-17 21:37       ` Artur Malabarba
     [not found]       ` <mailman.11408.1413582659.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-10-17 22:35         ` Emanuel Berg
2014-10-18 14:33           ` Rainer M Krug
2014-10-18 17:06           ` Artur Malabarba

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