From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 21:27:59 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <8761dllwds.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <2815659.zRQ0WWWeRr@descartes> <20141205175810.GD3120@thyrsus.com> <87lhmlncb1.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <20141205193643.GB5067@thyrsus.com> <83egsd3kyi.fsf@gnu.org> <871toapbh9.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <83ppbuxgxx.fsf@gnu.org> <83mw6yxeij.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418070518 12328 80.91.229.3 (8 Dec 2014 20:28:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 20:28:38 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 08 21:28:29 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy4uy-00088G-Vd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 21:28:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35997 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy4uy-0000sO-Hw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 15:28:28 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53584) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy4uq-0000sG-TJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 15:28:26 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy4ul-00063w-18 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 15:28:20 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:43359) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy4uk-00063o-Qy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 15:28:14 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy4uh-0007yr-2R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 21:28:11 +0100 Original-Received: from x2f4aa58.dyn.telefonica.de ([2.244.170.88]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 21:28:11 +0100 Original-Received: from dak by x2f4aa58.dyn.telefonica.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 21:28:11 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 21 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: x2f4aa58.dyn.telefonica.de X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:9nPLlQ6hsdkN7XIo64p4ibeWdkY= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179455 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > I was answering your earlier question about evidence. Writing ASCII > docs and asking you [Eli] to merge them is not fair to you. Shrug. Making use of voluntary work without contributing back anything at all is "not fair", and it's what the majority of Emacs users do. That's more or less a builtin and _wanted_ side effect that the contributors perfectly well are aware of. You are not asking to do nothing but merely offering to do the actual work requiring actual creative thinking. And Eli has offered to do finger exercises on it to get the benefits of work you otherwise would be loathe to do. I don't see how taking him up on that offer would be unfair to him any more than free software is anyway. He gets documentation work done for lots less of effort than if he had to do it all himself. -- David Kastrup