From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: if vs. when vs. and: style question Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 01:49:17 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87619n8dte.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <87sicvwckx.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> <87wq27yvqg.fsf@debian.uxu> <8d531e99-7260-4263-ac99-09c6871e2708@googlegroups.com> <87vbhq53lf.fsf@debian.uxu> <87a8z23p23.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87lhilx0cf.fsf@debian.uxu> <87twx9360u.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <0d1d19ab-06e9-462d-8867-9a49b1e232d3@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1427417423 28530 80.91.229.3 (27 Mar 2015 00:50:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 00:50:23 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 27 01:50:22 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YbITb-0006z1-Pz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 01:50:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47113 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YbITb-0004TY-2c for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 20:50:19 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 47 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: feB02bRejf23rfBm51Mt7Q.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:r+V+kAlcqHx4Mxb3D19wAWQh2fU= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:211092 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:103374 Archived-At: Rusi writes: > On a different note... For 50 years CS has been > living in the impoverished world of ASCII. > This makes people think CS and math are more far > apart than they essentially/really are. ASCII is sufficient for all computer use that is indeed computer use. Why do you think mankind abandoned the iconographic baby-steps of the old Sumerians? Just so people 5000 years later can click on icons on their Macs and be unable to spell their second names on a keyboard and instead cutting and pasting it from their Phasebook accounts? $^path/*$^@*(N:t)!!! But: If you use the computer to write in Russian or Greek for non-computer purposes, that's another thing - use whatever you need. Math and computers are not close. Yes, you can describe computers in terms of math. But that's the thing with math: it can model and express everything. For example, during the industrialization of the USA they were hysteric about stats of every little detail in the entire process of doing every single little thing that they were doing. This attitude is visible even today in USA's sport world where some of the hockey stars hold several hundred "records", some of which are very creative and otherworldly. Does this mean industrialization, or hockey for that matter, "is" stats? Just like math isn't computers. Math is science, computers are engineering. Math is the old Greeks, computers are the long-ears on Easter Island. Hands off computers! -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573