From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Long file names in Dired Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:37:27 +0200 Message-ID: <87618lvpf5.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <87sibq9v12.fsf@debian.uxu> <878udhvr0r.fsf@mbork.pl> <87zj5x28kk.fsf@gmx.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429868300 30216 80.91.229.3 (24 Apr 2015 09:38:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 09:38:20 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 24 11:38:12 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yla3l-0001L7-JD for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:38:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43866 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yla3l-0001H9-1U for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 05:38:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42732) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yla3O-0001DM-6L for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 05:37:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yla3K-0003bk-P3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 05:37:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([2a01:5e00:2:52::8]:35531) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yla3J-0003bU-TF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 05:37:42 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0532B572054 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:37:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iUGyGQBUt6EX for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:37:34 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [150.254.76.84]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 749B5572050 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:37:34 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: <87zj5x28kk.fsf@gmx.us> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a01:5e00:2:52::8 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:103976 Archived-At: On 2015-04-24, at 11:12, Rasmus wrote: > Hi, > > Marcin Borkowski writes: > >>> This idea is even better - use BibTeX. In a .bib file, >> >> I. HATE. BIBTEX. WITH. A. PASSION. >> [...] > > I find the format OK. I can't imagine a vastly superior format for > metadata... 1. Multiple authors are separated with the five-character string " and ". Can you imagine a more stupid idea? What if you want to quote an anonymous report whose author field should say "National Aeronautics and Space Administration"? Yes, you /can/ quote the " and ", but this shouldn't be even needed. 2. BibTeX separates the author name into (at most) four components, called "first", "last", "von" and "jr". No support for: Chinese names (not fitting into this format) and names in some other languages (I'm forgetting now which ones). 3. What about alphabetic sorting in various languages? 4. Since BibTeX is aimed (after all) at a typesetting system, what about diferent hyphenation patterns? Imagine an article written in Polish, citing a paper by a German (so the name should be hyphenated differently than the rest of the document), the paper being in English, and published by an Italian university. Where's support for that (i.e., language field for the author, title etc.)? (Not to mention several authors from various langauge backgrounds.) 5. What about all these funny characters not found in English, and in particular sorting using them? (See the docs for the xindy indexing tool for examples of nontrivial problems regarding locale-aware sorting.) 6. What about custom citation styles? Have you seen the syntax of the bst files? If yes, you know the pain, and if not, you'd better not look at them, for your own good... 7. BibTeX is not really "case-sensitive" or "case-insensitive", it's "case-destroying". IOW, /you have to quote capital letters in titles/ so that BibTeX doesn't convert them to lowercase. BTW, BibLaTeX addresses (AFAIK) problems 3, 5, 6 and 7. The amsrefs package addresses problems 1, 2, 4, 6 and 7. > I organize articles like > > ~/documents/literature/FirstAuthorYear[UniqueSuffixAsNecessary] > > E.g. > > ~/documents/literature/smith88/smith88.bib > ~/documents/literature/smith88/smith88.pdf > ~/documents/literature/smith88/smith88_data.zip > ~/documents/literature/smith88/smith88_notes.org > > I then create > > ~/documents/literature/lit.bib > > which is is a concatenation of all *.bib files in subfolders as well as a > special file, various.bib, which holds entries I don't want to maintain. > > In addition, I generate lit.{org,html} which summarizes of all metadata > and notes with links to pdfs. Again: nice, and thanks for the tips. But still, BibTeX is a wrong tool for that. (As you might guess, IMHO BibTeX is a wrong tool for /anything/.) Note that no BibTeX based solution helps /if I want to be able to move files between directories/. (Though I might arrange my system so that I don't have to do that - it's part of my current workflow, but not an indispensable one.) > Cheers, > Rasmus Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University