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From: Oleh Krehel <ohwoeowho@gmail.com>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org, tsdh@gnu.org,
	acm@muc.de, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	stephen@xemacs.org
Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs.
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 11:29:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87616dv4io.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1Z7WZ2-0004Tr-QD@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:21:08 -0400")

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

>   > > Are the ASCII equivalents of the two curly braces ` and '?
>
>   > No, they are ' and ', in line with the recommendations of the GNU
>   > Coding Standards.
>
> Does this mean that both curly braces, in Emacs Lisp doc strings,
> will appear as ' on a terminal which can't display curly braces?

Not only there, but everywhere for people like me who will use the
display table to modify "‘" to display as "'", because I completely
disagree with the change and think that the new quotes are ugly and hard
to input.

> That's a total screw.  Developers using such a display
> will not be able to distinguish the two.

I think the biggest screw hasn't yet been mentioned. If the change is to
go through, I think the lesser evil would be to completely forbid the
old style of quoting. Which of course won't happen, even if the change
is to go through.

And then we are left with a greater evil: two styles of quotes forever
intertwined. There's no way I'm switching the quoting style in any of my
(3rd party) packages, unless the lesser evil path leads to them being
forbidden.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-06-24  9:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 296+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-15 14:22 Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-15 14:46 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-15 15:34   ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-15 20:00     ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-15 20:16       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-06-15 21:04         ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-16  6:34       ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-16 12:03         ` Robert Pluim
2015-06-16 12:35           ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-16 13:10             ` Yuri Khan
2015-06-16 12:58         ` Andy Moreton
2015-06-16 23:53         ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-22 13:24   ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-22 15:23     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-15 15:14 ` raman
2015-06-15 15:23 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-15 15:30   ` Kaushal
2015-06-15 15:31     ` Kaushal
2015-06-15 16:33       ` Stephan Mueller
2015-06-15 15:38 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-15 18:28   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-15 18:42   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-06-15 16:11 ` Ulrich Mueller
2015-06-15 17:18   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-15 17:44   ` Drew Adams
2015-06-15 19:38   ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-15 16:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-15 17:43   ` Drew Adams
2015-06-16  0:50     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-16 22:18       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-17  6:59         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-16 23:56       ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-15 19:38   ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-15 20:57     ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-16 15:55       ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-16 22:43         ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-17  7:17           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-17  1:54         ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-17  6:21           ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-17  6:36             ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-17  8:05               ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-18  4:07                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-17 13:03             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-17 18:55               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-18  4:24                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-18  7:15                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-19  2:39                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-19  7:41                       ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-19 11:36                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-19 14:07                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-19 16:51                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-19 20:01                             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-28 19:17                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 23:31                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-26 15:05                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-26 19:26                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-26 22:49                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-26 23:59                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-27  2:08                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-28  1:10                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28  5:00                             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-30 10:08                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 13:50                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-30 14:12                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 15:32                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2015-06-30 15:47                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 15:54                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-30 17:54                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-30 19:44                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 22:15                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-30 17:41                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-30 20:14                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 14:37                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-30 15:23                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-07-01 13:28                                   ` Andy Moreton
2015-07-01 16:56                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-01 18:06                                       ` Andy Moreton
2015-06-27 12:22                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-27 14:46                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-28  9:52                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-28 15:35                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-29  9:13                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-29 14:50                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-29 21:52                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-30  1:51                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-30 16:53                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-28 17:52                       ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-28 19:21                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 20:28                           ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-28 20:36                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 23:05                             ` Drew Adams
2015-06-29  5:59                               ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-29 14:39                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-29 21:53                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-29 22:08                                 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-28 19:27                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-28 19:54                           ` chad
2015-06-28 21:14                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-28 21:37                           ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-29 21:49                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-18  4:29                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-18  7:19                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-18 12:02                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-19  4:06                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-19  9:02                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-19 15:36                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-23 22:22                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-23 22:47                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-24 17:20                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-25 22:24                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-26 13:57                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-22  1:44                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-22  8:42                           ` Elias Mårtenson
2015-06-23 16:01                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-22 13:57                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-22 15:33                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 12:38                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 17:06                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 18:07                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-24 18:24                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-22 15:31                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-22 18:32                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-22 18:59                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23  3:16                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 11:40                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-23 13:02                                     ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 13:22                                       ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-23 18:22                                         ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 19:29                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-23 19:53                                             ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 14:03                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-23 18:39                                         ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 19:04                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-23 19:12                                             ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 22:22                                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 15:43                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 18:17                                         ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 18:36                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 19:05                                             ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 19:21                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 19:51                                                 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 20:29                                                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-23 20:42                                                   ` Matthew Carter
     [not found]                                                   ` <E1Z7UpW-0007r3-2O@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-06-23 20:55                                                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-29  9:13                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 13:34                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-23 14:31                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-23 22:22                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 22:51                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-24 14:55                                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-24 15:44                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25  7:49                                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-25 15:45                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-25 22:49                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-26  1:15                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-26 13:57                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-26 19:22                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-27 12:20                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-27 15:36                                                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-28  9:51                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-26 13:58                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 15:36                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 15:42                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-24 15:13                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-24 15:49                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-24 18:55                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-24 19:19                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25  1:28                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 12:41                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 18:50                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 14:56                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 19:57                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-24 14:34                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-17 14:41             ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-17 14:58               ` Nicolas Petton
2015-06-17 16:03                 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-17 18:30                   ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-17 18:41                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-17 19:28                       ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18  4:22                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-18  4:52                     ` ASCII-folded search [was: Re: Upcoming loss of usability ...] Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-18  5:27                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18  7:48                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-18  8:33                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18  8:16                         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-18  8:46                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18  9:50                             ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-18 10:13                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-22 20:49                                 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-22 21:02                                   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-22 21:03                                     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-22 22:24                                     ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-22 23:28                                       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-23 22:49                                         ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-24  8:03                                           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-24 14:47                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-24 17:41                                               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-24 18:56                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-24 21:44                                             ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-24 21:57                                               ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-24 21:59                                               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-24 22:22                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-25  1:56                                                   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-25 17:49                                                     ` Kaushal
2015-06-25 22:27                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-26  9:32                                                         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-26 12:13                                                           ` Kaushal
2015-06-26 15:19                                                             ` Drew Adams
2015-06-26 17:20                                                               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-26 18:42                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-26 18:42                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-26 19:08                                                                   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-26 20:34                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2015-06-26 21:56                                                                       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-26 22:54                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2015-06-27  8:07                                                                           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-27  8:17                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-26 17:14                                                             ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-27 22:48                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-26 15:11                                                           ` Drew Adams
2015-06-23 16:46                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 17:20                                       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-23 17:33                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 16:43                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 17:19                                     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-23 17:31                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18  5:27                     ` Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs Ulrich Mueller
2015-06-18  5:46                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18  7:08                         ` Ulrich Mueller
2015-06-18  7:41                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 16:44                             ` Ulrich Mueller
2015-06-18 17:23                         ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18 17:32                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 18:13                             ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18 18:26                               ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-18 20:18                                 ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18 21:27                                   ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18 18:32                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 20:16                                 ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-19  4:24                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-18  4:49                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-17 16:18               ` Robert Pluim
2015-06-18 12:00                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-18 20:11                   ` Robert Pluim
2015-06-18  7:05               ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-18  7:44                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-19  9:03                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-20  6:02                   ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-20 17:37                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-20 19:43                       ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-21 14:16                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-21 19:50                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-22 13:55                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-22 15:26                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 12:37                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 13:08                                   ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 15:37                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 22:21                                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-24  2:48                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-24 14:56                                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-24 15:11                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-24 19:09                                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25  7:49                                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-25 14:27                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-24  9:29                                       ` Oleh Krehel [this message]
2015-06-24 14:54                                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 16:25                               ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-23 17:53                                 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-06-23 22:54                                   ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-23 22:21                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-22 22:22                     ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-15 16:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-17  7:16   ` Daniel Colascione
2015-06-17  8:15     ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-17  8:40       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-17  9:02         ` Yuri Khan
2015-06-17 11:20           ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-17 12:27             ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-19 21:35 ` Paul Nathan
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2015-06-27 18:02                                                                     ` Drew Adams
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2015-06-29 15:23                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-29 16:14                                     ` Drew Adams
2015-06-29 16:26                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-29 21:52                                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-30  2:42                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-30 16:53                                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-30 17:04                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-30 22:20                                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-01 16:19                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-07-01 19:33                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-01 19:53                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
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2015-06-29 16:37                                         ` Drew Adams

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